Changes to fields and item types for Zotero 5.1

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  • It would be useful for a primary source edited in a PhD dissertation. And if it isn't for most people, they simply won't use it, and it won't bother them as it would be in a scrolling menu. As for now it's not possible to say something like "this source which author is X was edited by Y in his PdD dissertation Z" without recuring to the "Extra" field.
  • For something that niche (I can't think of any citation style guide that would require that—they would just cite the thesis itself), it isn't worth the clutter and potential confusion for most users. You can personally add these type of data to your library and have them appear in citations by adding additional CSL variables to the Extra field like this:
    Translator: Last || First

    http://zotero.org/support/kb/item_types_and_fields#citing_fields_from_extra
  • I don't see why it would be confusing, because people won't open the scrolling menu of the "Author" field unless they need it...
  • @adamsmith
    I see a lot of discussion about bringing DOI fields to all types in Zotero, which is generally agreed to be a very needed thing. I am wondering about some other digital ID schemas and if they, or how they will be supported in Zotero... Two types that I have been encountering recently are urn: [1] and ark: [2], Historically, I have just treated handels [6] as URLs. I see that there is a bit of discussion around the forums [3,4] about broadening the scope of the ID field, but this is a bit different, and yet similar. I also see some discussion on github [5], but I don't see anything definitive or clearly on the road map. ([1b], and [2b] are from my own citations in my current writing project.)
    [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Name
    [1b]: http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:0009-7-21398
    [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archival_Resource_Key
    [2b]: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k824366/
    [3]: https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/56659/a-broader-approach-to-ids-oclc-pmid-pmcid-arxivid
    [4]: https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/62799/bibliotheque-nationale-de-france-translator-issue
    [5]: https://github.com/citation-style-language/zotero-bits/wiki/Zotero-types-whiteboard
    [6]: http://hdl.handle.net/
  • I think generally [3] is the right discussion to look at and I don't think there's been much movement beyond this, certainly not a roadmap.

    Personally I'm pragmatic about this -- DOIs are required metadata for countless citation styles, so they're a must and a priority.

    PM(C)IDs are already part of CSL, so they're low-hanging fruit and also in quite high demand.

    Everything else is, at least to me, in the "would be good to have" category but may well not end up being part of an initial update, especially since there's no way we'll be even close with CSL to add support for it (and then people have all this nicely structured data that they can't cite which is going to cause a lot of grief).
  • I have two requests for items. I'm not sure if this is the place to put them. If it isn't could I be directed towards the area. In the field of musicology, Zotero is being used more and more. There is one item that doesn't really fit anything. Is there a way to add a "live performance" of like a symphony orchestra or rock concert?
  • edited February 20, 2019
    A live performance item type is planned. For now, “Presentation” will be the closest.
  • Although it looks like I am two years late in joining this discussion, I would be very interested in reaching @adamsmith for some questions regarding references for anthologies. I have started a conversation on this matter elsewhere; but, I wanted to tie into something about which @adamsmith has already been involved in the hope that it will help me to contact him. Thank you.
  • (I've responded in your original thread; I read almost every thread & tagging me with @ will definitely get my attention)
  • Hello all, in the discussion of new field type, can I also get this included in the discussion: https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/70784/zenodo-items-vs-zotero-items. It probably already is, but just making sure.

    Also, is there a more summary of the proposals somewhere? 13 pages is getting hard to read.

    Finally, is there a reason that 'Presentation' doesn't have a 'Loc. in Archive'? I would generally vote for making fields as uniform across types as possible. Or even have a user preference that is 'show non-sentical fields' (or similar) that simply shows all fields for all types :)
  • Hi,

    I agree with @bjohas. I believe that Zotero, in a broad sense, is about managing and providing easy access to the overwhelming information and data around us. At least, there should be a way to be more organized in this forum.

    Regards,
    Ali
  • I like the dataset type, but what is the difference between 'book author' and 'editor' for book sections?
  • The “book author” is the _author_ (principal writer) of the book, whereas the editor is the person editing the text or coordinating the book. Book Author might be used if the Book Section were, for example, an introduction to a book written by one other author, or a translated chapter in a book or anthology of a person’s works.
  • I agree that Format should be added to Book/Book Section -- but I worry that we might need to add it to even more formats. I went ahead and added it to the whiteboard.
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