drrayl - for what format are you seeing the (2)? I get John Smith, ‘Afterthoughts on Maet's Olympia’, Oxford Art Journal, Vol. 33, no. 2, October 2010. on my test data - so without a (2).
OK - thats the bit I was having trouble with. My question is what should that look like if you wanted to reference a particular page too?
Helene P Foley, ‘Choral identity in Greek tragedy’, Classical Philology, Vol. 98 , no. 2, 2003, pp. 1-30. p 29. ??
Or maybe miss out the pages if a location is given? There isn't much help on that in the document.
An example of a footnote sourcing a specific page reference, taken from an edition of the journal, in JSTOR, (Oxford Art Journal, Vol. 22, No. 1. (1999)), shows that the pages are missed out:
Vern L, Bullough, ‘Prostitution and Reform in Eighteenth-Century England', Eighteenth-Century Studies, vol. 9, no. 3, 1985, p. 61.
I've played with some of the new styles just briefly. The only bug I've noticed so far is that Harvard Reference format 2 gives you two spaces between the author and year.
It would be nice if there were a way to easily exclude an URL from a bibliographic entry. When I manually enter records I have the option of leaving the information out in the first place but the JSTOR and other translators populate the URL field automatically. I suppose it could be handled on the translator's end instead of via CSL.
I suppose it could be handled on the translator's end instead of via CSL.
Yes, this is NOT a bug in CSL or in the styles. Almost anything these days can be published online, so it doesn't make sense to make exceptions by type of resource. There are even journals that are only published online, for example.
MTBradley - can't reproduce the Harvard 2 double space issue. What sort of thing was it you were referencing - can you paste and example? Occasionally there are trailing spaces on the end of the zotero stored fields - especially if you have edited them.
SBL - haven't done it yet. I started looking at it and collecting some sample references, but didn't get started on the style yet.
I'm not sure on the 1.0.2 schedule - you'll have to check with the main team. You can download an interim build to try them out though.
See the bottom of this page
http://dev.zotero.org/svn_and_trac_access
Codec, when I cut a chunk of text displaying the problem from an .odt or .rtf file and paste it here the problem disappears when I preview my comment. If you would like to have a look you can check out the original .odt and .rtf files.
The problem was produced in NeoOffice in case that is relevant.
How do I add the new output styles into Zotero? Specifically Art History, History and Theory, Oxford Art Journal etc. I'm afraid I'll need step by step instructions.
I think it is in the plan to have a citation editor. I've been thinking about what one might look like, and any way I look at it, it seems a complex thing to make.
It is not a straightforward thing to format a reference, however it might look like that on the surface. Its quite easy to format something that looks reasonable for a given example, but it then fails when applied to something similar with a bit of information missing. Is a comma attached to the author, or is it a separator between author and title, what should happen if there is no author? Or no title?
I think such an editor can be written, but I don't think its going to be trivial.
One of the important reason for having the facility for editing a style is to remain up-to-date. What i mean is this: the use of "ibid" etc. has become out-of-date style now. People prefer to avoid them, whatever style sheet they are using. But, as of now, all that one can do in Zotero is to manually edit each entry using the "Show Editor" option, which is a bit painful. So, if it were possible to give once for all instruction to zotero not to use these archaic words, it would be useful.
The advantage of the current approach is everyone has access to changes.
On ibid, I've been thinking that perhaps we shouldn't configure it on any author-date style. It's value is more apparent in note-based styles, and APA merely says it's optional.
Thanks for the notification that the The Royal Society of Chemistry Journals format is available. I found Zotero CSL Repository at http://www.zotero.org/styles. Can you tell me how to install one of these new styles into Zotero.
Regarding the American Chemical Society see: http://pubs.acs.org/books/references.shtml
It would be great could say we support more of these.
First, I'm uneasy with placing so much emphasis on a single field. There are still missing "base" styles (Turabian comes to mind, as well as the two Bluebook styles) that we need before worrying about obscure discipline-specific journals.
Second, Codec has been doing some fantastic work drastically expanding the number of available styles, and I hope he'll continue to do that. But I also think it'd be "nice" if he got some more help, either from people that work with Zotero, or from tech-savvy people on this board.
Think of it: in the space of a couple of weeks, one person managed to expand the number of styles by 50 or so. What would happen if 10 people contributed even half that number? How long until we, say, matched Endnote?
BTW, I'm taking care of Bluebook. I expect to have something worth testing along with the 1.02 release.
Bruce-- Turabian is basically the Chicago style with minor modifications. While it has been used in teaching extensively up to now because the printed manual is cheaper, the Chicago style is easier to teach at this point because it is available online and many universities have subscribed to it. However, if no one takes Turabian up in the next few weeks, I'll draft a version--I'll only be able to get my hands on the latest version of the manual in January. Elena
We are obviously deeply indebted to Codec, and he need not do these styles if he is feeling overworked, unaccompanied, or underappreciated (though we have expressed our great appreciation through several channels, and let me say it again: Thanks so much, Codec!). We do intend to put others from the Zotero team on CSL building after we finish up some of the server tasks, but would of course appreciate help from others outside the team. I think Trevor's intention was just to add some history/humanities journals to the mix that are not straight copies of Chicago (and that could help balance out the recently added science styles). (And yes, we are the Center for History and New Media and are thus showing our bias.)
That's cool Dan; just reminding us all not to forget the forest, and encouraging others to help if they can. Don't mean to pick on Trevor.
BTW, there are a couple of things that I don't see support for, both of which are common in some areas of the humanities. The first is for those fields (like, say, Japanese history within the Anglophone academy) that deal with mulitple languages: contributor names in multiple languages and scripts, translated and transliterated titles, original dates (for historic works), etc.
We ought to try to get one of these in soon to make sure CSL can handle them (I think it can for the most part, but havne't rigorously tested it). The Japanese Journal of Religious Studies is a really demanding one (see an example article). I know we need to add back some stuff from an earlier version of the CSL schema before we can fully support this, and I hope to work on that soon.
[Also, of course, Zotero can't yet encode the data for these sorts of fields, so that'll need to be fixed sooner or later.]
Allow me to remind Dan, Elena, and Bruce that this forum thread is not the best place to have this particular discussion. Before we move back to our regularly scheduled programming of fielding Zotero users' CSL requests, I will take the opportunity to remind Bruce that Zotero is fully unicode compliant and can store data for any of its fields in any language. Please feel free to continue this discussion on the dev list.
sean: my comment about the limitations of zotero on this count was not a mistake. Take a look at the example I posted and tell me how zotero can possibly store a) different names (in different languages) for the same contributor, and b) different titles (again, in different languages, and scripts) for the same resource.
It can't.
This is only partially off-topic, as we're talking about "styles that would be good to support". My vote is for the one I posted the link to, but was simply pointing out that Zotero won't be able to do it until the new (more relational) model is in place.
Am happy to discuss this further on the dev list, but I'm not going to bring it up there ATM.
Please also consider American Physical Society. Reference: RevTeX 4 Two kind of styles: one for Physical Reviews journal (apsrev.bst) and the other for Reviews of Modern Physics (amsrmp.bst).
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I get
John Smith, ‘Afterthoughts on Maet's Olympia’, Oxford Art Journal, Vol. 33, no. 2, October 2010.
on my test data - so without a (2).
I don't though seem to be getting the page range when there is no specific page reference. The page range is in the Pages field in Zotero Info
ie I get
Helene P Foley, ‘Choral identity in Greek tragedy’, Classical Philology, Vol. 98 , no. 2, 2003
but I think this should be:
Helene P Foley, ‘Choral identity in Greek tragedy’, Classical Philology, Vol. 98 , no. 2, 2003, pp. 1-30.
This is using the plug in with Word 2007 under Windows Vista.
Helene P Foley, ‘Choral identity in Greek tragedy’, Classical Philology, Vol. 98 , no. 2, 2003, pp. 1-30. p 29. ??
Or maybe miss out the pages if a location is given? There isn't much help on that in the document.
An example of a footnote sourcing a specific page reference, taken from an edition of the journal, in JSTOR, (Oxford Art Journal, Vol. 22, No. 1. (1999)), shows that the pages are missed out:
Vern L, Bullough, ‘Prostitution and Reform in Eighteenth-Century England', Eighteenth-Century Studies, vol. 9, no. 3, 1985, p. 61.
It would be nice if there were a way to easily exclude an URL from a bibliographic entry. When I manually enter records I have the option of leaving the information out in the first place but the JSTOR and other translators populate the URL field automatically. I suppose it could be handled on the translator's end instead of via CSL.
The proper solution is to fix the translators.
I have 1.0.1; will there be a new stable release soon with your latest work in it?
Gerv
I'm not sure on the 1.0.2 schedule - you'll have to check with the main team. You can download an interim build to try them out though.
See the bottom of this page
http://dev.zotero.org/svn_and_trac_access
The problem was produced in NeoOffice in case that is relevant.
I wanna create my own style, as it is possible in Endnote. Can zotero have this facility in the future?
It is not a straightforward thing to format a reference, however it might look like that on the surface. Its quite easy to format something that looks reasonable for a given example, but it then fails when applied to something similar with a bit of information missing. Is a comma attached to the author, or is it a separator between author and title, what should happen if there is no author? Or no title?
I think such an editor can be written, but I don't think its going to be trivial.
One of the important reason for having the facility for editing a style is to remain up-to-date. What i mean is this: the use of "ibid" etc. has become out-of-date style now. People prefer to avoid them, whatever style sheet they are using. But, as of now, all that one can do in Zotero is to manually edit each entry using the "Show Editor" option, which is a bit painful. So, if it were possible to give once for all instruction to zotero not to use these archaic words, it would be useful.
thanks
Dunkin
On ibid, I've been thinking that perhaps we shouldn't configure it on any author-date style. It's value is more apparent in note-based styles, and APA merely says it's optional.
American Chemical Society
Chemical Society Reviews (The Royal Society of Chemistry Journals)
Angewandte Chemie
All are available in Endnote.
Cheers,
Ken
I'm not sure if we have a style close to the other two - do you have links to their reference formats?
Centaurus http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/pdf/centaurus_style_guide.pdf
Historical Journal http://assets.cambridge.org/HIS/HIS_ifc.pdf
Royal Historical Society Transactions http://assets.cambridge.org/RHT/RHT_ifc.pdf
Rural History http://assets.cambridge.org/RUH/RUH_ifc.pdf
The Journal of Urban History http://www.sagepub.com/journalsProdManSub.nav?prodId=Journal200943
Anglo-Saxon England http://assets.cambridge.org/ASE/ASE_ifc.pdf
Contemporary European History http://assets.cambridge.org/CEH/CEH_ifc.pdf
Comparative Studies in Society and History http://assets.cambridge.org/CSS/CSS_ifc.pdf
English Historical Review http://www.oxfordjournals.org/our_journals/enghis/for_authors/index.html
Hispanic American Historical Review http://www.dukeupress.edu/journals/j_submission_guidelines.php?issn=0018-2168
Journal of African American History http://www.jaah.org/jaah_manuscript_sub.html
Journal of African History http://assets.cambridge.org/AFH/AFH_ifc.pdf
Journal of Contemporary History http://www.sagepub.com/journalsProdManSub.nav?prodId=Journal200983
Journal of Interdisciplinary History http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/jih/information/guidelines.html#article style
Journal of Modern History http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/page/jmh/instruct.html
Journal of Southern History http://jsh.rice.edu/primary.cfm?doc_id=534
Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes http://warburg.sas.ac.uk/journal/stylesh.htm
New England Quarterly http://www.newenglandquarterly.org/write_for_NEQ/
Notes and Records of the Royal Society of London http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/index.cfm?page=1104
Russian Review http://www.russianreview.org/
Sixteenth Century Journal http://escj.truman.edu/submission.html
Speculum http://www.medievalacademy.org/speculum/speculum_submissions.htm
William and Mary Quarterly http://oieahc.wm.edu/wmq/manuscripts.htm
Journal of Military History http://www.smh-hq.org/jmh/guidelines.html
Journal of American History http://www.indiana.edu/~jah/stylesheet.shtml
Regarding the American Chemical Society see: http://pubs.acs.org/books/references.shtml
Also, Angew. Chem.: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/26737/home/2002_authors.html
Cheers,
Ken.
Second, Codec has been doing some fantastic work drastically expanding the number of available styles, and I hope he'll continue to do that. But I also think it'd be "nice" if he got some more help, either from people that work with Zotero, or from tech-savvy people on this board.
Think of it: in the space of a couple of weeks, one person managed to expand the number of styles by 50 or so. What would happen if 10 people contributed even half that number? How long until we, say, matched Endnote?
BTW, I'm taking care of Bluebook. I expect to have something worth testing along with the 1.02 release.
Turabian is basically the Chicago style with minor modifications. While it has been used in teaching extensively up to now because the printed manual is cheaper, the Chicago style is easier to teach at this point because it is available online and many universities have subscribed to it. However, if no one takes Turabian up in the next few weeks, I'll draft a version--I'll only be able to get my hands on the latest version of the manual in January.
Elena
BTW, there are a couple of things that I don't see support for, both of which are common in some areas of the humanities. The first is for those fields (like, say, Japanese history within the Anglophone academy) that deal with mulitple languages: contributor names in multiple languages and scripts, translated and transliterated titles, original dates (for historic works), etc.
We ought to try to get one of these in soon to make sure CSL can handle them (I think it can for the most part, but havne't rigorously tested it). The Japanese Journal of Religious Studies is a really demanding one (see an example article). I know we need to add back some stuff from an earlier version of the CSL schema before we can fully support this, and I hope to work on that soon.
[Also, of course, Zotero can't yet encode the data for these sorts of fields, so that'll need to be fixed sooner or later.]
It can't.
This is only partially off-topic, as we're talking about "styles that would be good to support". My vote is for the one I posted the link to, but was simply pointing out that Zotero won't be able to do it until the new (more relational) model is in place.
Am happy to discuss this further on the dev list, but I'm not going to bring it up there ATM.
Also, Angew. Chem.: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/26737/home/2002_authors.html - call me dense, but I can't find a reference format description in there. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place!
Also done Centarus and Historical Journal.
Author(s). Date. Title (italics). Publisher. Place. Pages.
and
Author(s). Date. Article title. Journal title (italics). Volume (issue):page-page.
it groups dozens of journals with different styles.
http://pubs.acs.org/about.html
For each journal there is an author guideline PDF file that resumes the way to deal with the style; for instance with Langmuir
http://pubs.acs.org/paragonplus/submission/langd5/langd5_authguide.pdf
Reference: RevTeX 4
Two kind of styles: one for Physical Reviews journal (apsrev.bst) and the other for Reviews of Modern Physics (amsrmp.bst).
Check out this guide: Reviews of Modern Physics Style Guide