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    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2007
     
    Some journals in biology:
    Bioinformatics: http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/ - Done
    Nucleic Acids Research: http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/ - Done
    BMC bioinformatics: http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcbioinformatics/
    Genome Research: http://www.genome.org/
    Genome Biology: http://genomebiology.com/
    Genes and Development: http://www.genesdev.org/ - Done
    Cell: http://www.cell.com/ - Done
    RNA: http://www.rnajournal.org/ - Done
    PLOS biology: http://biology.plosjournals.org/ - Done

    I think the German format is too hard - I don't read German very well and the bibtex format doesn't really help.
    • CommentAuthorRintze
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2007
     
    I just found out that the Journal of Bacteriology, as a American Society for Microbiology (ASM) journal, has the same reference-style as the other journals published by the ASM, which are:

    Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy
    Applied and Environmental Microbiology
    Clinical and Vaccine Immunology
    Clinical Microbiology Reviews
    Eukaryotic Cell
    Infection and Immunity
    Journal of Clinical Microbiology
    Journal of Virology
    Microbiology and Molecular Biology Reviews
    Molecular and Cellular Biology

    Perhaps copies of the Journal of Bacteriology-style can be made available under each of the journal names? Alternatively you could add a small comment to the style mentioning that the style is valid for all ASM-journals (e.g. Journal of Bacteriology (valid for all ASM-journals)).

    On a more general note, would it be helpful to have a wiki available so users of Zotero can help collect reference style metadata? I'm thinking about a table with the journal name for which a style is wanted, whether the journal shares its reference style with that of other journals (as in the case of the ASM journals) or whether it is the same as one of the major styles (Harvard, APA, etc) and also the URL where the reference style guide can be found. I guess that as the number of available styles keeps increasing, a bit more structure would come in handy. For instance, the Web of Science lists about 8700 journals.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2007
     
    Yes - this looks to be the case in a few publications

    RNA, genome and genes and development all share the same style
    Genome biology and bmc bioinformatics are also the same

    So I think we need a way of attaching multiple names to the same style.
  4.  
    Haven't seen too many physical scientists chipping in, so I guess one of us should speak up. Can't speak for everyone, but the following are must-haves for practitioners of the earth and planetary sciences:

    American Geophysical Union (i.e., the Journal of Geophysical Research and Geophysical Research Letters)
    Earth and Planetary Science Letters
    Icarus
    Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta
    Meteoritics and Planetary Science
    Geology
    Acta Astronautica
    Chemie der Erde
    Space Science Reviews
    American Mineralogist
    Generalized Short-Form Abstract (for example, like in the Lunar and Planetary Science conference abstracts)
    • CommentAuthorRintze
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2007
     
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2007
     
    As far as I can tell Earth and Planetary Science Letters and Icarus journals have the same style as Metabolic Engineering. I'm starting to loose track of what shares what format. I think we need some schema support to show the duplication of styles.

    It is also starting to become necessary to have some filtering on styles - as there are now nearly 40 different ones to choose from.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2007
     
    Meteoritics and Planetary Science added - had to update the preview tool I wrote as Its now difficult to see if there is one you've already done!
    • CommentAuthormkupfer
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2007
     
    Please add the citation style of: the Art Bulletin and Speculum
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2007
     
    got a link?
    • CommentAuthorJnic
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2007
     
    @Codec: Above you write "I think the German format is too hard - I don't read German very well and the bibtex format doesn't really help." Is there some way I could be of help? Unfortunately I'm not a coder, but maybe I could translate/explain text you don't understand...

    Greets, Jan.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2007
     
    @Jnic - sure send me a message and we can collaborate.
    What I really need are a few examples for say a journal, book and a book chapter.
    Then we can see what can be done.
    • CommentAuthorsean
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2007
     
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2007
     
    Done a first version of these - the format is a little sparse.
    • CommentAuthorTjowens
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2007
     
    Some other previous requests, I think they are all Chicago derivatives:

    Society of Biblical Literature:
    http://www.sbl-site.org/assets/pdfs/SBLHS_SS92804_Revised_ed.pdf

    History and Theory
    http://www.wesleyan.edu/histjrnl/stylesht.html

    Society for American Archeology, American Antiquity Style:
    http://www.saa.org/Publications/styleGuide/styleGuide.pdf

    American Anthropological Association:
    http://www.aaanet.org/pubs/style_guide.htm
    • CommentAuthordrrayl
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2007
     
    Many thanks to Codec for the Art History and Oxford Art Journal styles.
    • CommentAuthorlcampbell
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2007
     
    I just tried zotero today for the first time. Importing Papyrus references (using the ris_out format) works fairly well, but does require some editing of the text file.
    Before importing my entire database into zotero, I need a way to keep the ID#s (which is how I file the actual papers-- since I started this before pdf files were available...).

    I see that custom items are a planned feature. How long before this is incorporated?
    Has anyone figured out a way to customize zotero import fields so that "ID #" is not lost?
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2007
     
    lcampbell: this is rather off-topic for this thread. See here.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2007
     
    drrayl - I have to say my efforts are just a start. I expect there to be more work to do when people start using them for real, as the instructions for authors documents are often a little thin on real world details.

    So I look forward to bug reports on these and the other styles!
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2007
     

    CSL Hasn't really got the support for biblical formats yet - some discussion on the list about this.

    Done


    Both these styles need indented author lists which is beyond the power of the CSL language at present.
    • CommentAuthordrrayl
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2007
     
    Codec.

    For the Oxford Art Journal, some recent examples might help. The main thing that differs from your implementation, I think, is that specific page references are always prefixed by p. .

    (This does not seem to be specified in the style guide on the Journal's Web page.)


    Page reference from books are put after the closing bracket of (Publisher: Place, Year)., prefixed by p.

    Eg: Terry Castle, Masquerade and Civilisation: The Carnivalesque in Eighteenth-Century English Culture and Fiction (Methuen: London, 1986). p. 2.

    Similarly, specific page references in journal articles follow the volume, number and date, prefixed with p.

    Eg

    Vern L, Bullough, ‘Prostitution and Reform in Eighteenth-Century England', Eighteenth-Century Studies, vol. 9, no. 3, 1985, p. 61.

    For specific pages in papers in an edited volume:

    Thomas Diplero, 'Disfiguring the Victim's Body in Sade's Justine,' in Veronica Kelly and Dorothea von Mucke (eds.), Body and Text In the Eighteenth Century (Stanford University Press:Stanford, 1994), p. 247.

    I hope this helps a little.
    • CommentAuthorscot
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2007
     
    RE: the Society of Biblical Literature style.
    The style guide itself is found here:
    http://www.sbl-site.org/assets/pdfs/SBLHS.pdf
    (The link above is to the student supplement to the guide.)
    Note that the first thing that people who want the SBL style itself would like to see is the ability to do the style's two means of bibliographic citation (which follow Chicago's foot/endnote style, and author-date style), not biblical citations, which are in fact a fairly minor part of the Style spec. Citation of the Bible itself (and other ancient texts) is a useful long-term goal, especially for sharing notes, but for now it is probably most efficient to do it in the traditional way, by typing biblical citations out manually.

    The two SBL bibliographic styles are variants of Chicago. For the notes version, I have yet to come across actual variations to the Chicago style, except for perhaps the following:
    (1) It is fairly common to do both full foot/endnotes AND a full reference list. Current Chicago styles support makes you choose one.
    (2) It is common to use a set of fairly standard abbreviations for Series Titles (as is common elsewhere with Journal titles). AFAIK, neither Zotero nor CSL has support for Series Title abbreviations yet.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     
    drrayl - thanks - that's very helpful.
    A new version will be there soon with hopefully the new additions made.
    Two questions

    1. Its often common to have a chapter from a book or a journal entry with page numbers in the zotero entry, so the chapter might have in the reference that it is pages 65-78, but you can also cite the page number specifically, as in p. 66. What do you do in this case, currently I'm missing out the first page refs.

    2. In the chapter reference you gave above, is any of it italicised?

    Many thanks for your help. I think there is still some work to be done on subsequent references to the same work.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     
    As regards SBL, I know there is a new Chicago update arriving soon. I think its worth checking this out with a preview tool such as csledit, and then see how close it is to SBL and if there are adjustments that can be productively made.
    • CommentAuthorlasertin
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     
    • CommentAuthordrrayl
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2007
     
    Codec.

    On your 1. You are right as far as I can tell from examples. Where a specific page is cited, only that is included and the page range in the journal or collection is dropped.

    On your 2. Book and Journal titles are italicised. Justine as a book title in the Diplero example is also italicised.

    (Sorry - I can't see how to italicise words in these posts.)

    On subsequent references to the same work, the guidance seems to be to use author surname and a shortened work title. An example is:

    Terry Castle, 'Eros and Liberty at the English Masquerade, 1710-90', Eighteenth Century Studies, vol. 17, no. 2, 1983/4, pp. 156-76

    Subsequent cite, (with specific page ref) Castle, 'Eros and Liberty', pp. 162-3.
    • CommentAuthorlasertin
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     
    codec, thank you for your efforts creating these style files!
    i tried 'Analytica Chimica Acta' and 'Analytical Chemistry' styles using 'chrome://zotero/content/tools/csledit.xul'. both look good, but for the journal names in the bibliography only the abbreviations should be used.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     
    Thanks for the report. I think that Analytica Chimica Acta should get it right - provided you have a Journal Abbr entry in zotero. The other one I'll fix.
    Let me know if there are other problems.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     
    drrayl: Subsequent cite, (with specific page ref) Castle, 'Eros and Liberty', pp. 162-3.

    Think this is done now.
    • CommentAuthorlasertin
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     
    codec,
    http://www.zotero.org/styles/anal-chim-acta/dev, 2007-11-28 21:38:32
    http://www.zotero.org/styles/analytic-chemistry/dev, 2007-11-29 08:52:07
    both show still the entire journal name instead of abbreviations and i have the entries in zotero (?)
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     
    DOH - ok - its a 1.0.2 fix that allows it to show the short name, I forgot about that!
    Roll on 1.0.2.
    • CommentAuthordrrayl
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     
    Codec.

    Thank you. Oxford Art Journal looking very good.

    One thing. The issue number format is: no. 2, rather than (2).
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2007
     
    drrayl - for what format are you seeing the (2)?
    I get
    John Smith, ‘Afterthoughts on Maet's Olympia’, Oxford Art Journal, Vol. 33, no. 2, October 2010.
    on my test data - so without a (2).
    • CommentAuthordrrayl
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2007
     
    Codec - Sorry, I was using a test example that had the issue number imported into the volume field, with the vol number, not the issue field. :{

    I don't though seem to be getting the page range when there is no specific page reference. The page range is in the Pages field in Zotero Info

    ie I get
    Helene P Foley, ‘Choral identity in Greek tragedy’, Classical Philology, Vol. 98 , no. 2, 2003

    but I think this should be:
    Helene P Foley, ‘Choral identity in Greek tragedy’, Classical Philology, Vol. 98 , no. 2, 2003, pp. 1-30.

    This is using the plug in with Word 2007 under Windows Vista.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2007
     
    OK - thats the bit I was having trouble with. My question is what should that look like if you wanted to reference a particular page too?

    Helene P Foley, ‘Choral identity in Greek tragedy’, Classical Philology, Vol. 98 , no. 2, 2003, pp. 1-30. p 29. ??
    Or maybe miss out the pages if a location is given? There isn't much help on that in the document.
    • CommentAuthordrrayl
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2007
     
    Codec

    An example of a footnote sourcing a specific page reference, taken from an edition of the journal, in JSTOR, (Oxford Art Journal, Vol. 22, No. 1. (1999)), shows that the pages are missed out:

    Vern L, Bullough, ‘Prostitution and Reform in Eighteenth-Century England', Eighteenth-Century Studies, vol. 9, no. 3, 1985, p. 61.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2007
     
    Thanks for the info. This shows up a small deficiency in zotero, which should be fixed for 1.0.2 when it should be possible to support this style.
    • CommentAuthorMTBradley
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2007 edited
     
    I've played with some of the new styles just briefly. The only bug I've noticed so far is that Harvard Reference format 2 gives you two spaces between the author and year.

    It would be nice if there were a way to easily exclude an URL from a bibliographic entry. When I manually enter records I have the option of leaving the information out in the first place but the JSTOR and other translators populate the URL field automatically. I suppose it could be handled on the translator's end instead of via CSL.
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007
     
    I suppose it could be handled on the translator's end instead of via CSL.


    Yes, this is NOT a bug in CSL or in the styles. Almost anything these days can be published online, so it doesn't make sense to make exceptions by type of resource. There are even journals that are only published online, for example.

    The proper solution is to fix the translators.
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007
     
    MTBradley - can't reproduce the Harvard 2 double space issue. What sort of thing was it you were referencing - can you paste and example? Occasionally there are trailing spaces on the end of the zotero stored fields - especially if you have edited them.
    • CommentAuthorgerv
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007
     
    Codec: it's a little unclear from above - what's the latest with SBL?

    I have 1.0.1; will there be a new stable release soon with your latest work in it?

    Gerv
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007
     
    SBL - haven't done it yet. I started looking at it and collecting some sample references, but didn't get started on the style yet.
    I'm not sure on the 1.0.2 schedule - you'll have to check with the main team. You can download an interim build to try them out though.
    See the bottom of this page
    http://dev.zotero.org/svn_and_trac_access
    • CommentAuthorMTBradley
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2007
     
    Codec, when I cut a chunk of text displaying the problem from an .odt or .rtf file and paste it here the problem disappears when I preview my comment. If you would like to have a look you can check out the original .odt and .rtf files.

    The problem was produced in NeoOffice in case that is relevant.
    • CommentAuthormkupfer
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2007
     
    How do I add the new output styles into Zotero? Specifically Art History, History and Theory, Oxford Art Journal etc. I'm afraid I'll need step by step instructions.
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    This issue might have already been discussed here, but let me repeat.

    I wanna create my own style, as it is possible in Endnote. Can zotero have this facility in the future?
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2007
     
    I think it is in the plan to have a citation editor. I've been thinking about what one might look like, and any way I look at it, it seems a complex thing to make.

    It is not a straightforward thing to format a reference, however it might look like that on the surface. Its quite easy to format something that looks reasonable for a given example, but it then fails when applied to something similar with a bit of information missing. Is a comma attached to the author, or is it a separator between author and title, what should happen if there is no author? Or no title?

    I think such an editor can be written, but I don't think its going to be trivial.
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    thanks for the reply!

    One of the important reason for having the facility for editing a style is to remain up-to-date. What i mean is this: the use of "ibid" etc. has become out-of-date style now. People prefer to avoid them, whatever style sheet they are using. But, as of now, all that one can do in Zotero is to manually edit each entry using the "Show Editor" option, which is a bit painful. So, if it were possible to give once for all instruction to zotero not to use these archaic words, it would be useful.

    thanks

    Dunkin
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2007
     
    The advantage of the current approach is everyone has access to changes.

    On ibid, I've been thinking that perhaps we shouldn't configure it on any author-date style. It's value is more apparent in note-based styles, and APA merely says it's optional.
    • CommentAuthorkhenders
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2007
     
    For this function to be really useful for chemists the following styles are the most common (these cover a multitude of journals):

    American Chemical Society
    Chemical Society Reviews (The Royal Society of Chemistry Journals)
    Angewandte Chemie

    All are available in Endnote.

    Cheers,

    Ken
    • CommentAuthorCodec
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2007
     
    Royal Society of Chemistry is done already.
    I'm not sure if we have a style close to the other two - do you have links to their reference formats?
    • CommentAuthorTjowens
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2007 edited
     
    I have rounded up a list of history journal formats and their style sheets. It would be great if we could say we support more of these.

    Centaurus http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/pdf/centaurus_style_guide.pdf
    Historical Journal http://assets.cambridge.org/HIS/HIS_ifc.pdf
    Royal Historical Society Transactions http://assets.cambridge.org/RHT/RHT_ifc.pdf
    Rural History http://assets.cambridge.org/RUH/RUH_ifc.pdf
    The Journal of Urban History http://www.sagepub.com/journalsProdManSub.nav?prodId=Journal200943
    Anglo-Saxon England http://assets.cambridge.org/ASE/ASE_ifc.pdf
    Contemporary European History http://assets.cambridge.org/CEH/CEH_ifc.pdf
    Comparative Studies in Society and History http://assets.cambridge.org/CSS/CSS_ifc.pdf
    English Historical Review http://www.oxfordjournals.org/our_journals/enghis/for_authors/index.html
    Hispanic American Historical Review http://www.dukeupress.edu/journals/j_submission_guidelines.php?issn=0018-2168
    Journal of African American History http://www.jaah.org/jaah_manuscript_sub.html
    Journal of African History http://assets.cambridge.org/AFH/AFH_ifc.pdf
    Journal of Contemporary History http://www.sagepub.com/journalsProdManSub.nav?prodId=Journal200983
    Journal of Interdisciplinary History http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/jih/information/guidelines.html#article%20style
    Journal of Modern History http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/page/jmh/instruct.html
    Journal of Southern History http://jsh.rice.edu/primary.cfm?doc_id=534
    Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes http://warburg.sas.ac.uk/journal/stylesh.htm
    New England Quarterly http://www.newenglandquarterly.org/write_for_NEQ/
    Notes and Records of the Royal Society of London http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/index.cfm?page=1104
    Russian Review http://www.russianreview.org/
    Sixteenth Century Journal http://escj.truman.edu/submission.html
    Speculum http://www.medievalacademy.org/speculum/speculum_submissions.htm
    William and Mary Quarterly http://oieahc.wm.edu/wmq/manuscripts.htm
    Journal of Military History http://www.smh-hq.org/jmh/guidelines.html
    Journal of American History http://www.indiana.edu/~jah/stylesheet.shtml

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