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    • CommentAuthornoksagt
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007 edited
     
    "We really need an easy-to-use web-based previewer and tester, though."

    Wouldn't a Firefox extension be the nicest way to implement such a tool?
    CSL is used outside of Zotero (and will hopefully be adopted more).

    A web-based tool would not only cater to these other users, but could hopefully build a publicly accessible database of styles. I see no reason a web-based tool couldn't make styles which could be tested with Zotero as easily as ones generated through a (non-zotero) firefox plugin.
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007
     
    A web-based tool would not only cater to these other users, but could hopefully build a publicly accessible database of styles. I see no reason a web-based tool couldn't make styles which could be tested with Zotero as easily as ones generated through a (non-zotero) firefox plugin.


    Exactly. In fact, my reason for mentioning this is the first proof-of-concept from one of the Zotero developers (Simon) was in fact exactly what I'm asking for. He just hooked up the Javascript formatter to a text field: paste the CSL into it, edit it, and it displays the changes. That could then be easily extended later into a proper interface.

    In any case, the notion of distributed and web-accessible styles is central to my vision of CSL. Having to download and maintain style files in the 21st century is positively archaic.
    • CommentAuthorMTBradley
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2007
     
    American Anthropological Association (http://www.aaanet.org/pubs/style_guide.pdf) would be helpful for me.
    • CommentAuthormccaskey
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2007
     
    I need an in-text version of 'Chicago without bibliography.' See Chicago 15, p. 637. Everything the same as the current Chicago note-based format, but don't force the citation into the note.
    • CommentAuthorjoehill
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2007
     

    Just to add my 2 cents to the wishlist, I'm an anthropologist and would therefore be interested in seeing the style used by the journals of the American Anthropological Association. (I may be able to do it myself if I can find the time to figure out how to create Zotero bibliography styles.) Basically, it looks something like this:



    Smith, Deborah
      1999  A Journal Article. American Anthropologist 100(2):305-332.
      2002  A Chapter in a Book. In An Edited Volume. William Jones
        and Maureen Davis, eds. Pp. 129-152. Berkeley: University of California
        Press.
      2005  A Conference Paper. Presented at the annual meeting of the American
        Anthropological Association, Washington D.C., November 23.
      2006  A Recent Book.  New York: Random House.
    Smith, John, ed.
      1997  Another Edited Volume. Durham, NC: Duke University Press.
    • CommentAuthorjreineke
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2007
     
    I would really like a format that includes the notes field. I just created an entire Zotero library on a particular topic that will be posted to the web in a straight-bibliography form, but I can't find a way to add the Notes field. Now I have to copy and paste each one by hand (ugh!) Adding the notes field would be very useful anytime you are sharing your library with a broad audience who doesn't happen to have Zotero.
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2007
     
    @jreineke: the citation style language (CSL) Zotero is using has support for annotated styles, and there is one available. It just needs to be added to the database (if it's not already).
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      CommentAuthorchrisalbon
    • CommentTimeMay 30th 2007
     
    American Political Science Association

    http://www.wisc.edu/writing/Handbook/DocAPSA.html
    • CommentAuthorkmregan1
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2007
     
    I would like to second (third?) the IEEE standard and note that it is widely used in the Computer Science community.
    • CommentAuthorjohnstonp
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2007
     
    Definitely the general scientific format a poster mentioned above. Many, many scholars across a number of disciplines use it, and I think it would be a big hit if you added it. See below.

    Author A, Author B, Author C and Author D. 2007. An example scientific reference. Journal of Zotero Forums 1(2): 3-4.
    • CommentAuthorpongidave
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2007 edited
     
    I'd like to voice yet another vote for the American Anthropological Association's format.
    It should be fairly simple as they already follow the Chicago Manual 14th ed.:

    "AAA uses The Chicago Manual of Style (14th edition, 1993) and Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary (10th edition, 2000). This guide is an outline of style rules basic to our journal editing. Where no rule is present on this list, follow Chicago. "

    Thus the pdf everyone has linked to might be easy to adapt based on the existing Zotero Chicago formats.

    I should add that, because that edition of the Chicago Manual is a bit sparse on how to cite electronic formats, it might be worth looking at some issues of American Anthropologist or American Ethnologist to see how they have handled websites, PDFs, and other electronic media.
    • CommentAuthorjolenechou
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2007
     
    Hi..

    Please add the AMA citation style if possible (International Committee of Medical Journal Editors Uniform Requirements for Manuscripts Submitted to Biomedical Journals).

    And thanks so much for such an awesome product!
    • CommentAuthorchopstick
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2007
     
    I realize I am a little late in the game, but for me the most ideal solution would be an extension that would let me choose the fields to be included, and the order in which they appear. Some questions I have so far, is there a depository for contributors that have generated their own styles, and is there a "manual" or suggestion site on how to generate your own styles. I could see that the many Zotero users would provide incredible contributions. Once again, most of these questions/suggestions are likely a repeat of someone. Wonderful, wonderful product so far. Since I am mostly dependent on Endnote, I am very interested to see whether this could replace that program.
    • CommentAuthornoksagt
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2007
     
    The developer documentation describes how to create styles and where to submit them to:
    <http://dev.zotero.org/creating_citation_styles>
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2007
     
    Admittedly, creating new styles and getting them activated in Zotero remains a bit tricky. But I expect this problem will slowly be solved in ways that go way beyond Endnote.

    My vision (I am the author of the style language) is to have distributed, project-independent, style repositories; where users can just easily subscribe to the styles they're interested in, and they are seamlessly updated as they get improved (much like how the translators now work).
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    Yet another anthropologist requesting the AAA format. Thanks!
    • CommentAuthorwlodek
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2007
     
    May I boldly ask for two?
    Harvard and IEEE, pretty please. They are major styles for a really large community.
    And unfortunately without these two I cannot really use Zotero ... :-(
    On the positive side - I very clearly would like to use it ... :-)
    Many thanks in advance.
    Wlodek
    • CommentAuthorlakicsv
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2007
     
    Let me say first that zotero is a clearly superior tool to standalone citation managers, like RefMan... I prefer Zotero, and I use it a lot - the main advantage is the browser integration.

    From the above comments, it is clear that it is impossible to satisfy everybody's wishes, some people need this format, some people need a different format. None of these groups of people with the need for the same format will big enough to justify picking a particular export format as a priority...MAybe that is why zotero only offers a handful formats to export out...? I am a biologist and I regularly use about 6-7 different formats for publishing in different journals. And if the export format is different with just a tiny bit from the required, you need to edit manually the whole bibliography...The solution: a utility which allows the user to define easily the format he or she is interested in. EndNote and Reference Manager has this utility. Once the users can define these rules, they could upload a definition file, and the list of supported format would very quickly grow... Real open source collaboration solution... The quality of these definitions would be easily controlled: everybody sees whether the style is correct or not...

    Once this killer feature is added, I see no reason for anyone to fire up Reference Manager or Endnote any more... And another commercial solution goes out of business;-))

    Viktor
    • CommentAuthorMatthias
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2007
     
    Viktor, AFAIK, this is exactly what is planned. The XBib Project by Bruce D'Arcus together with the Zotero folks are developing a citation style language (CSL) to describe citation style definitions in a generic way. Users will eventually be able to use a GUI to add new styles to an online repository and Zotero will automatically retrieve new/updated styles. And other tools (such as OpenOffice or refbase) will hopefully make use of the same style files to come up with a truly useful ecosystem.
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2007 edited
     
    Right, what Matthias said. I think the way forward is to incrementally build up the CSL previewer that Dan wrote. First it could just have some basic parameters options that would maybe get the user 95% to a finished style. Then those could be extended over time to close the gap.

    In any case, my goal is an open, distributed set of citation style repositories, such that ultimately none of us ever have to think about citation styles again ;-)
    • CommentAuthorbbraun
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2007
     
    Zotero really should be able to use hundreds or thousands of different formats used by basic science journals - there is very little uniformity among publishers.

    Endnote has a ton of formats codified. Is there a program that will convert Endnote styles into CSL? This would solve most of the problem in one fell swoop.
    • CommentAuthorMatthias
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2007
     
    I'd guess that when the CSL spec has been finalized and when there's an easy infrastructure to add/edit CSL files, the number of available styles will increase quickly.

    AFAIK, Endnote styles are in binary format, so I don't think there's a way to convert these into something else.
    • CommentAuthortorsten
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2007
     
    I would be very happy about a posibility to create and edit self-defined citations-formats.
    • CommentAuthorDan Cohen
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2007
     
    torsten: this is a planned feature, to be implemented after we move to a more flexible hierarchical item type model (that can then be extended by users).
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2007
     
    The first step is not an editing interface. The very first step is that we need to move styles online. Zotero should not be storing CSL files in the database, unless a user happens to select one and it gets cached.

    So, steps:

    1. update Zotero to grab and update CSL styles from the web (using the link URI)
    2. add a UI to browse style repositories (an extension of 2)
    3. extend the CSL previewer to add basic parameter options to create at least a decent skeleton of the style (sort of like how BibTeX's makebst works)
    4. the full editor (which is going to be much more difficult, and hence more work; might not even be worth the trouble given more pressing needs)

    The basic premise really needs to be that you make it much easier for people to create and edit styles so that i the long run they never have to think about it. Ultimately, if I want to submit an article to a journal, I should be able to go to their website and click some link to activate a style in Zotero. I shouldn't ever have to bother with the arcane details of their style requirements.

    We've just got to get over that hump of making it much easier to do this.
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    Harvard, harvard, harvard please, please, please with sugar on!

    In most UK Universities, Harvard is the prodominant referencing style. Leeds Metropolitan (www.leedsmet.ac.uk) has an excellent written guide for how to reference to this style.
    • CommentAuthorwjb436
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2007
     
    Harvard Please.
  28.  
    Oxford would be a welcome and much needed addition for historians.
    • CommentAuthormgarrom
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2007
     
    Oxford for philosophers, thank you!
    And for later definitely the possibility of editing the format.
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    bdarcus wrote:
    4. the full editor (which is going to be much more difficult, and hence more work; might not even be worth the trouble given more pressing needs)

    i don't think its Zotero's role to have a GUI for the creation of CSL files. a new project could be started for a 'CSL Editor', as CSL could be used in another kind of application. but for sure i won't complain having it directly in zotero :)

    actually im working on a custom style but the deployment of it is really tuff as i need to prepare batch/package for the different windows/macosx/linux OS's.
    having a 'import CSL style' would be really appreciated.
    • CommentAuthorbdarcus
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2007 edited
     
    i don't think its Zotero's role to have a GUI for the creation of CSL files. a new project could be started for a 'CSL Editor', as CSL could be used in another kind of application. but for sure i won't complain having it directly in zotero :)


    I think Dan has mentioned they want to gradually built this into the scaffold tool, which probably makes sense. A lot of the same UI you use to create translators can be used for styles.

    actually im working on a custom style but the deployment of it is really tuff as i need to prepare batch/package for the different windows/macosx/linux OS's.
    having a 'import CSL style' would be really appreciated.


    Definitely. I'm thinking a method that take a URI as a parameter. In the mid-term that URI should be HTTP resolvable, but in the short-run I guess one could use file:/// URIs.

    BTW, it would also be good if Zotero validated the style files before loading. I keep thinking a simple web service might be appropriate for this?
    • CommentAuthorpatora
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2007
     
    It's not a citation style, but I would like to export my bibliographies in Marc21. It would be so much easier to catalog websites for example.
    • CommentAuthorIndi
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2007
     
    An archaeology student requesting American Antiquity format. See

    http://www.saa.org/Publications/StyleGuide/styleGuide.pdf

    It's similar but not identical to the AAA style requested by some others, above. Save my life this fall by adding this!
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    A biochemist;

    i would really like a simple style for my documents like this:

    in text:

    [1] or [2,3] or even [1,2,3,4]

    with full bibliography:

    1. Authors; year; journaltitle; volume; pages; PMID;
    2. Authors; year; journaltitle; volume; pages; PMID;
    3. Authors; year; journaltitle; volume; pages; PMID;

    or short biblography:

    1 PIMD
    2 PMID
    3 PMID

    thanks
    Andy
    • CommentAuthornanelle
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2007
     
    I'm late to this, but I'm also from the sciences end, and so I'd like to suggest the same as everyone else

    Nature
    Science
    Microbiology (and the other journals from American Society from Microbiology: Infection and Immunity, etc)
    PLoS
    Cell

    etc.

    I also agree that an ability to customize would be wonderful.

    Most important to me, though, would be to mimic a wonderful feature that Endnote has. Until Zotero can do this, I'm stuck using endnote for the actual paper process:

    If you're writing in a format which uses numbers to sort by the order in which the references are cited, Endnote can let you drag, drop, insert, and delete text with imbedded citations, and still keep track of it all. This means you can cite *Jones et al* as (1), write a bunch, then realize that *Smith et al* should really come before Jones. You go back, introduce and discuss Smith, and then cite him - he becomes Smith (1) and Jones automatically becomes Jones (2). Does that makes sense?

    That sort of smart, intuitive, simple citation management is the sort of thing Zotero, with its beautiful interface, should strive for.
  36.  
    Hi Nanelle

    using the Chicago Manual Style (one of the few pre-loaded styles that has uses numbers for the in text citations) does exactly what your asking for - i.e. always keeps the references numbered in order, no matter if you go back to the start and insert a fresh paragraph with citations.... So i think that feature is already there in Zotero...

    is anyone willing to post a step by step faq for making a custom style (perhaps with an example CLS file and the output in word)... I have the basics of XML wiring but am unsure exactly how to add the file into the sqlite db...

    thanks
    andy
  37.  
    Adding Turabian and Bluebook styles would be a tremendous benefit to students in divinity and law, respectively. I know it's tricky, but if the capitalization glitch with article titles in APA could be fixed that would also be helpful.

    Thanks!
    Jon
    • CommentAuthorJohn
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2007
     
    It would be good to see Society for Biblical Literature format. It's a Chicago/Turabian derivative I think but would be very useful to have. Thanks for Zotero - I'm slowly moving everything to it. John
    • CommentAuthorDominiqueP
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2007
     
    I suggest that you update the Citation formats page, there is now more than 3 styles supported : http://www.zotero.org/documentation/citation_formats
    • CommentAuthornading
    • CommentTimeSep 12th 2007
     
    Another vote for American Anthropological Association style.
  41.  
    Another biologist voting for:
    1. easily customizable formats
    2. the usual suspects: Science, Nature, PNAS
    3. ecology journals: Ecology (and family), Ecology letters, Journal of Ecology, Oecologia, Oikos, etc
    • CommentAuthorjimwhitend
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2007
     
    Society of Biblical Literature. http://www.sbl-site.org/PDF/ForumGuidelines.pdf
    Turabian
    • CommentAuthorgerv
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2007
     
    Can I second the request for the Society of Biblical Literature (SBL) format?

    Gerv
    • CommentAuthorscot
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2007
     
    That makes 4 requests for the Society of Biblical Literature (SBL) style on this post (including mine). That's mildly astonishing, though I do thing that Zotero would enjoy particularly wide adoption among biblical scholars once it is stable from their point of view. I have started a separate thread on doing SBL-style formatting with Zotero using Zotero's support for the Chicago Manual of Style formats.

    Note that the link provided above by jimwhitend is not to the SBL style spec, but only a much briefer and very different set of guidelines for submission to the Socity's online forum.
    • CommentAuthorpamillet
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2007
     
    hum... after a firts read on CSL... It 's not clear in my understanding if it's possible to use SEVERAL format in the same doc, depending on the place of the citation.

    for example, i have to use these two formats:
    ... a systemic approach of enterprise was proposed by Le Moigne (1997)...
    ... this concept is used in a systemic approach of enterprise (Le Moigne 1977)...

    In the first example, the author name is inside the sentence, in the second one, the author name is in the citation...
    Of course, i'd have to select the format when inserting the citation...

    Is that possible in a (not too far ! ) future ?

    pam
    • CommentAuthormimcdonald
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2007
     
    I'm also waiting for support for political science citation formats (i.e. American Political Science Association, American Journal of Political Science, American Political Science Review). Thanks!
    • CommentAuthorlirani
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2007
     
    ACM format for both journals and conferences, please! But conference submissions are more common, so those would impact more people.
  48.  
    Harvard please.
    • CommentAuthortkotze
    • CommentTimeSep 25th 2007
     
    I would appreciate the ability to generate bibliographic entries according to the Harvard method. The following web sites contains some nice guidelines in this regard:
    http://library.curtin.edu.au/referencing/harvard.html
    http://www.cput.ac.za/library/infoLit/bibharvard.htm
    http://www.usq.edu.au/library/help/ehelp/ref_guides/harvardonline.htm

    Theuns Kotze
  50.  
    Another vote from the ecology world:
    1. Ecology (and family), Journal of Ecology (and family), Ecology Letters, Oikos, Oecologia
    2. Easily customizable (i.e., ability to make slight modifications)
    3. user Uploadable formats for faster development

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