Style Request: Chicago Manual of Style 18th edition (full note)

rdeemed70

Hi. Is there an update for CMOS in the works? The 18th edition was recently released. I know specific information is needed for a style request, but I am checking if this endeavor is needed. If I was savvy in editing a citation style, I would attempt to do so independently. Some of the changes make citation easier.

Notes update:

A place of publication is no longer required for book citations (see CMOS 14.30).

1. Charles Yu, Interior Chinatown (Pantheon Books, 2020), 45.
2. Amy J. Binder and Jeffrey L. Kidder, The Channels of Student Activism: How the Left and Right Are Winning (and Losing) in Campus Politics Today (University of Chicago Press, 2022), 117–18.
Shortened notes

3. Yu, Interior Chinatown, 48.
4. Binder and Kidder, Channels of Student Activism, 125.
Bibliography entries (in alphabetical order)

Binder, Amy J., and Jeffrey L. Kidder. The Channels of Student Activism: How the Left and Right Are Winning (and Losing) in Campus Politics Today. University of Chicago Press, 2022.
Yu, Charles. Interior Chinatown. Pantheon Books, 2020.

Another update:

CHAPTER OR OTHER PART OF AN EDITED BOOK
The page range for a chapter in a book is no longer required in bibliography entries (see CMOS 14.8). In a note, cite specific pages as applicable.

Note

1. Kathleen Doyle, “The Queen Mary Psalter,” in The Book by Design: The Remarkable Story of the World’s Greatest Invention, ed. P. J. M. Marks and Stephen Parkin (University of Chicago Press, 2023), 64.
Shortened note

2. Doyle, “Queen Mary Psalter,” 65.
Bibliography entry

Doyle, Kathleen. “The Queen Mary Psalter.” In The Book by Design: The Remarkable Story of the World’s Greatest Invention, edited by P. J. M. Marks and Stephen Parkin. University of Chicago Press, 2023.
In some cases, you may want to cite the collection as a whole instead.

Note

1. P. J. M. Marks and Stephen Parkin, eds., The Book by Design: The Remarkable Story of the World’s Greatest Invention (University of Chicago Press, 2023).
Shortened note

2. Marks and Parkin, Book by Design.
Bibliography entry

Marks, P. J. M., and Stephen Parkin, eds. The Book by Design: The Remarkable Story of the World’s Greatest Invention. University of Chicago Press, 2023.
For more details and examples, see CMOS 14.8–14.

BOOK CONSULTED IN AN ELECTRONIC FORMAT
To cite a book consulted online, include either a URL or the name of the database. For downloadable ebook formats, name the format; if no fixed page numbers are available, cite a section title or a chapter or other number in the note (or simply omit). For citing a place rather than a publisher for books published before 1900 (as in the Moby-Dick example below), see CMOS 14.31.

Notes

1. Arundhati Roy, The God of Small Things (Random House, 2008), chap. 6, Kindle.
2. Philip B. Kurland and Ralph Lerner, eds., The Founders’ Constitution (University of Chicago Press, 1987), chap. 10, doc. 19, https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/.
3. Brooke Borel, The Chicago Guide to Fact-Checking, 2nd ed. (University of Chicago Press, 2023), 92, EBSCOhost.
4. Herman Melville, Moby-Dick; or, The Whale (New York, 1851), 627, https://melville.electroniclibrary.org/moby-dick-side-by-side.
Shortened notes

5. Roy, God of Small Things, chap. 7.
6. Kurland and Lerner, Founders’ Constitution, chap. 4, doc. 29.
7. Borel, Fact-Checking, 104–5.
8. Melville, Moby-Dick, 722–23.
Bibliography entries (in alphabetical order)

Borel, Brooke. The Chicago Guide to Fact-Checking. 2nd ed. University of Chicago Press, 2023. EBSCOhost.
Kurland, Philip B., and Ralph Lerner, eds. The Founders’ Constitution. University of Chicago Press, 1987. https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/.
Melville, Herman. Moby-Dick; or, The Whale. New York, 1851. https://melville.electroniclibrary.org/moby-dick-side-by-side.
Roy, Arundhati. The God of Small Things. Random House, 2008. Kindle.
For more details and examples, see CMOS 14.58–62.



Thanks in advance for any help.


https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide/citation-guide-1.html 

adamsmith

Yeah, it's on my list but might still take a month or two.
@bwiernik -- can you remind me how you'd handle "EBSCOhost" and "Kindle" in the examples above in APA. We should try to align data entry

bwiernik

@adamsmith

Kindle is ‘medium’.

APA doesn’t include names of widely available academic databases like “EBSCOhost”. For more niche databases, I use ‘archive’. I would suggest using ‘source’/Library Catalog for “EBSCOhost” like we do for MLA style. Given that a URL takes precedence over a database name, perhaps URL > archive > source?

lauragayle

Thank you for having this on your list, really appreciate it!

eligv

Hi, @adamsmith thanks for considering updating the style, I wanted to add the following just in case it wasn't mentioned above;

I noticed that in the 18th edition there's a requirement where we should cite the full information of the reference the first time we use that citation. Then, for subsequent citations we should be citing only the shortened note.

It would be great to have that integration in the next update since the 17th edition style in Zotero only admits one style of citation per document unless we edit it manually and break the citation links (as far as I've tried). For example, if we choose the option "full note" the full reference appears in every citation we make of the same work. And if we change the document preferences to "note", every citation in the document changes to the shortened note.

Thanks in advance for any update.

https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide/citation-guide-1.html

adamsmith

We've done shortened subsequent citations since the first Chicago style in CSL/Zotero (16th edition I think). You might just not have citations set to auto-update.

sladay93

@adamsmith I was just wondering if there was progress on adding the Chicago 18th edition author-date

dunning

Places of publication are to be omitted from books after 1900, but for titles before 1900, Chicago's normative practice is to include the place of publication only, without the publisher. Since there is no ability to create a conditional based on a date in CSL, I take it that we will simply need to use the allowance of providing both the place of publication and publisher if desired, as still allowed in ¶14.30?

In line with emerging practice, Chicago no longer requires a place of publication for books published since 1900 (see also 14.31). If for any reason a place is included (authors should resist doing so, but the occasional reference may benefit from readers knowing its place of origin), use the first-listed city on the title page or, if no city is listed there, refer to the copyright page and cite the city where the publisher’s main editorial offices are located. City names are followed by a colon.

damnation

Testing for which year is not possible with CSL.

adamsmith

I think I'd be inclined to omit publisher and maybe create one variant with?

sdflewrit783

Off topic, but is there a place, on GitHub or elsewhere, to submit requests for CSL development? There are a lot of repositories there, but no one obvious location for this. The conditional mentioned above or the need for the bibliography in one paragraph are a couple of suggestions one could make.

dunning

@sdflewrit783 The Citation Style Language schema repository is the best place to discuss changes and new features for CSL itself:

https://github.com/citation-style-language/schema

adamsmith

I'd actually prefer keeping initial discussion on the CSL forums (https://discourse.citationstyles.org/ ) or here.
Stuff will just linger in the github issues -- generally development speed on CSL is both slow and extremely conservative towards new features, so anything new that goes beyond a variable or term requires a very significant demonstrated need and even then things like testing for variable content is probably out for CSL.