Groups Storage

Hello,
I have an unlimited account and am now seeing this message:

"The ‘Primary Literature’ group has reached its Zotero file storage limit. Some files were not uploaded. Other Zotero data continues to be synced to the server.

The group owner can increase the storage quota in the storage settings on zotero.org."

However, I can’t find an option to do this. Since I’m also the owner of this group, this surprises me.

Is there an explanation for this?

Best regards,
Tomas

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  • OK, but there's no option to increase the storage for the group. And my account is already unlimited, right?
  • dstillman Zotero Team
    Group storage draws from the group owner, so it's doesn't really have anything to do with the group itself. We'll clarify the error message — it should really say "The group owner can increase their storage quota in their storage settings…". We may also be able to show a different message for the group owner.

    In your case, you were already at an internal limit for unlimited accounts that's in place to prevent abuse, but we've increased it a bit for you.
  • Thanks,
    but now the question is about the extent of the increase. I actually still have quite a bit to add to this group—probably around 300 GB. It’s really a backup for my library that I can access from anywhere and where I can restrict access if necessary.
    Or, what would happen if I moved the group—which I set up for organizational purposes—to MyLibrary? Would the files be uploaded there as well?
    However, the permissions there would be very broad and wouldn’t align with my intentions...
  • Oh no, sorry—there's actually quite a bit missing that wasn't uploaded. Probably around 500 GB in total…
  • dstillman Zotero Team
    Re: https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/133691/unlimited-ist-not-unlimited, as I said, we've raised the limit for you. If you hit it again, you can email storage@zotero.org to request an increase.

    If you don't need some files online, particularly some very large ones, you can always add those as linked files, but not in groups.

    (I don't understand what you mean about My Library having broader permissions. My Library isn't public at all by default and doesn't allow file sharing in any case.)
  • Hello,
    First, the basics:
    I have a library of books, journals, magazines, fanzines, and dissertations that I’ve collected over the course of decades. Most of these documents also have an electronic counterpart.

    I’d like to manage them electronically, analyze them academically, and—in some cases—be able to access them from anywhere in the world to make use of them. Generally for my own use.

    I also run a blog and use Zotero to populate it with reports and bibliographies from the library—based on these collected materials.

    The data volume currently amounts to about 3–5 TB, depending on how you look at it and how it's used. Zotero is therefore an excellent tool for organizing this data.

    To do this, I import the electronic documents and then create a parent entry under which the document is stored. I also immediately enter all newly collected documents into the database and add the electronic document. I store the former (so far) in “Groups,” and I edit the latter in “MyLibrary.” I don’t know if Zotero was designed for this kind of task, but it works very well for it …

    And so,
    Thanks again for the increase, but that doesn't solve the underlying problem for me.
    First of all, it's hard to work when you don't know what storage capacity you have available.

    I didn't know about the internal 1 TB limit and ran right into it, and even now I don't know by how much my storage capacity was increased. At least, I haven't found any instructions on this anywhere.

    I’ve already hit the new limit again… and as I said, I don’t calculate in terms of 10 or 100 GB.
    The linked files feature is good, but it doesn’t work for me. At least, I don’t think so…

    I use a plugin that creates or uploads attachments by folder—not as linked files, but as stored files.

    In any case, I’d have to edit each entry individually. I haven’t found a plugin yet that creates linked files when uploading entries by folder. Or do you know of one?
    The best solution would be if you could exclude a specific portion of the data from synchronization.

    With a thousand entries, that’s barely feasible. With 100,000 entries, it’s impossible.
    There may also be a language barrier here, since I’m not a native English speaker and have to rely on machine translation for everything. I sometimes get the impression that the problem isn’t understood or hasn’t arisen yet.

    Originally, “unlimited” was the key point. But if that’s not the case—for whatever reason—the question now is: how can this be handled?

    Can you offer any suggestions?


  • Regarding "I haven’t found a plugin yet that creates linked files when uploading entries by folder", the folder import plugin does apparently have that option ...
    https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/116329/how-do-i-mass-import-papers-into-zotero-without-creating-stored-files
  • @tim820
    Thanks for the tip, but this plugin isn’t really suitable for my needs. I’ve now tested it thoroughly and found the following:
    - Unfortunately, the links aren’t imported into Groups. For me, that means I’d have to put everything in MyLibrary, and that’s not really what I want. I use Groups to separate large parts of my collection so I don’t have to display everything in the main library
    - The plugin is very slow, at least compared to my other plugin, which doesn’t generate links. I’d say it’s about a third slower, even though it doesn’t have to upload attachments—it just generates links.
    - It’s also a bit finicky when it comes to importing all attachments. I’ve had instances where only 50% of the existing attachments were actually imported as links into the library (always PDFs) . In one instance, the plugin refused to generate any links from the folder at all. Strange, but true. No idea why. The folder contains about 3,000 PDFs. Other folders contain around 1,000 more files and are transferred without any issues? The plugin seems rather reluctant to accept imports from my Synology repository.
    - One of the main issues is that the plugin always uploads everything in the folder without checking whether something already exists. With thousands of files, this makes managing and updating the collection very difficult. This feature is probably harder to code in this plugin than in the other one, but it’s precisely why I’m not very enthusiastic about it. Although it certainly has its merits.
    Of course, I’m no expert and may be looking at these things too narrowly, but unfortunately, these factors are important to my happiness. So these are just personal opinions, not objective ones. Maybe there’s more to come…
    In any case, thanks for the effort…
  • edited 14 days ago
    Re "Unfortunately, the links aren’t imported into Groups. ", that is a limitation of Zotero, not the plugin. Linked files don't work with Groups (or the web library, or the mobiles apps).
    https://www.zotero.org/support/attaching_files#linked_files

    You should report the other limitations you found to the plugin developer.

    There is new alternative plugin for folder import. I haven't tried it.
    https://github.com/suraj1kc/zotero-folder-drop-importer
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