Hey all, after seeing all the new fields (which are much appreciated!), I was surprised that volume title wasn't one of them. Just wondering if this is in the pipeline?
I'm not sure it matches your use case, but have you tried using that title as the Book Title, the container title as Series and the volume number as Series Number?
If I may make a few suggestions on implementing this: books also need the part number and title fields (the same as in journal articles) alongside volume titles. For example: https://www.zotero.org/groups/2205533/items/P3WCZ5HS.
Support for the volume-title variable needs to be added to journal articles as well, to support an issue title, e.g. https://www.zotero.org/groups/2205533/items/6VYDHCV4. I might suggest renaming the Series Title or Series Text field to Issue Title and mapping it to volume-title. It looks from old documentation as if these were originally intended to support what is now covered by the volume-title and section variables. (A 'series' with a periodical usually refers to '3rd series', 'new series', etc., which does not have a further title, so the Series field is enough to cover this on its own.) Series Title is double-mapped to collection-title, while Series Text is not mapped to anything.
Ah I had forgotten about series titles for periodicals, as that isn't an issue for me anywhere near as often, but I have encountered it a couple times (and yes it was "New Series" most recently I believe).
@frigidilius Nobody has yet programmed support for volume or part titles in SBL. APA, Chicago, MHRA, MLA, and Oxford all support these variables fully.
That makes better sense; thanks @dunning. Coming from an ignoramus, @dstark@adamsmith, how hard would it be to copy and past whatever's been programmed from these other citation formats into SBLH2? Or is copying and pasting even a thing for the likes of this?
For that specific scenario -- it would be impossible. That said, we've now seen a couple of pretty decent AI generated CSL style updates, so you could try that if it's of interest (I don't what tools/toolchain works, though). Since you can't really break much with a bad/broken CSL style, there's not much too lose.
@frigidilius, the closest I think I've gotten on this front is something like in the following RDF. It's hacky and doesn't translate well to other styles but does provide correct output for SBLHS2.
@adamsmith@dstark@frigidilius Using Claude and ChatGPT, I was able to generate what seems to be a fairly stable fix for the long-standing issues with the SBL CSL and citations involving multivolume works. This involves incorporating the "volume-title" variable via Zotero's "Extra" field.
I don't know enough about using GitHub or the official CSL styles to attempt to make revisions to the actual SBLHS file, so I just use my own custom style. I can't paste all the necessary edits here, but I'm happy to share the file and details with anyone who is interested.
@matt.quintana, after you register for GitHub, open the page for the SBLHS2 style, click the pencil to start editing, copy-and-paste in your updated CSL, and walk through the steps to create a request for the maintainers to pull your changes into the repository (a pull request).
@frigidilius This is a potential work around in some cases, but it's less than ideal for a few reasons: (1) Adding content to a field where it doesn't truly belong can create problems when using other styles. (2) This work around does not yet produce a fully SBLHS2 accurate citation since the container title (in your case "The Literary and Oral Tradition of Hebrew and Aramaic Amongst the Samaritans") is not italicized. Zotero does not register HTML coding (i.e., text) for text in the "Volume" field, so this would have to be applied manually in each case. (3) Further problems arise when dealing with a book that belongs not only to a multivolume work but also to a series. In the current iteration of the SBL Style CSL in Zotero, as soon as you add something to the "Series" field, it will mess with the output.
As I commented above, I'm working on changes to official CSL file for SBL Style that will resolve these issues (and others) by incorporating support for the "volume-title" variable in Zotero's "Extra" field and refining the way multivolume works are handled. I'm almost finished, but have a few kinks to work out in the coding before it can be accepted and integrated into the official CSL file. I'll post here again once I'm able to get that done.
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Support for the
volume-titlevariable needs to be added to journal articles as well, to support an issue title, e.g. https://www.zotero.org/groups/2205533/items/6VYDHCV4. I might suggest renaming the Series Title or Series Text field to Issue Title and mapping it tovolume-title. It looks from old documentation as if these were originally intended to support what is now covered by thevolume-titleandsectionvariables. (A 'series' with a periodical usually refers to '3rd series', 'new series', etc., which does not have a further title, so the Series field is enough to cover this on its own.) Series Title is double-mapped tocollection-title, while Series Text is not mapped to anything.<rdf:RDF>
<bib:Book rdf:about="#item_12934">
<z:itemType>book</z:itemType>
<dcterms:isPartOf>
<bib:Series>
<dc:title>
A Grammar of New Testament Greek<i>, by James Hope Moulton, 4 <span class="nocase">vols.</span></i>
</dc:title>
</bib:Series>
</dcterms:isPartOf>
<dc:publisher>
<foaf:Organization>
<vcard:adr>
<vcard:Address>
<vcard:locality>Edinburgh</vcard:locality>
</vcard:Address>
</vcard:adr>
<foaf:name>T&T Clark</foaf:name>
</foaf:Organization>
</dc:publisher>
<bib:authors>
<rdf:Seq>
<rdf:li>
<foaf:Person>
<foaf:surname>Turner</foaf:surname>
<foaf:givenName>Nigel</foaf:givenName>
</foaf:Person>
</rdf:li>
</rdf:Seq>
</bib:authors>
<dc:subject>#nosource</dc:subject>
<dc:subject>Attachments - Stored</dc:subject>
<dc:title>Syntax</dc:title>
<dc:date>1908-1976</dc:date>
<z:language>na</z:language>
<z:shortTitle>Syntax</z:shortTitle>
<dc:description>issued: 1908/1976</dc:description>
<prism:volume>3</prism:volume>
<z:numberOfVolumes>4</z:numberOfVolumes>
<z:citationKey>TurnerSyntax1908</z:citationKey>
</bib:Book>
</rdf:RDF>
I don't know enough about using GitHub or the official CSL styles to attempt to make revisions to the actual SBLHS file, so I just use my own custom style. I can't paste all the necessary edits here, but I'm happy to share the file and details with anyone who is interested.
I used to enter bibliographic data as follows:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u3006544/wzhi56mlemlp7j2pa8o3.png
That would spit out a bibliography like this:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u3006544/h2276macxq3xtwkaoa95.png
That is problematic, because SBLH2 guidelines give this as the following example:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u3006544/kjbdhj4ci7ae59dp62yi.png
The fix is simple but counter-intuitive. All you have to do is switch around the title and volume like this:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u3006544/0ypmeiusrkl5wmyq2reg.png
Then, the correct reading comes out as follows:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u3006544/z0un2wa1nrhrso6w69l7.png
Tada!
As I commented above, I'm working on changes to official CSL file for SBL Style that will resolve these issues (and others) by incorporating support for the "volume-title" variable in Zotero's "Extra" field and refining the way multivolume works are handled. I'm almost finished, but have a few kinks to work out in the coding before it can be accepted and integrated into the official CSL file. I'll post here again once I'm able to get that done.