Citing Exhibitions, Performances, Concerts

RHPB
Hi,
one can add artworks, presentations, radio broadcasts
but I think it would be good if there were separate sections for
Exhibitions, Performances, Concerts
Thanks
  • harrrald
    Agree. Many in theatre studies regularly need to cite live performances. There have been requests for this entry type to be included in Zotero since a decade ago and it's still not possible...
  • dtoulemonde
    Adding my voice to this as I'm still trying to find a work-around and it feels like it should be easily solved.
  • aarblaster
    Adding my voice here and pointing to the GitHub issue: https://github.com/zotero/zotero-bits/issues/55
    Live Performance does feel like something we need.
    See also https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/comment/451454/#Comment_451454
  • davidbrucesmith
    Agree. I need to cite live performances, and I also need to cite specific Programs for these performances. This is difficult at teh moment
  • bwiernik
    The CSL types for a performance is `performance`, for an exhibition is `event`, for an exhibition catalog, use `book`

    You can tell Zotero to treat an item as another CSL type by entering this in Extra:
    type: performance

    These will be picked up and cited in citation styles that support them (which are not very many at this point)
  • davidbrucesmith
    So is this for a specific performance date, or can it refer to a production that has numerous performances? and are you suggesting to use "book" for theatre programs? Thanks for any insight!
  • adamsmith
    edited July 5, 2024
    It's flexible: you can put a date range (say for a production run) or a specific date. I'd be inclined to cite the program as a performance (as opposed to exhibition catalogs, performance programs are typically not published formally) and use Genre: program booklet or something along that line.
    In any case, this all requires working with the Extra field and CSL variables -- Zotero doesn't have a performance item type currently, so you'll want to familiarize yourself with that: https://www.zotero.org/support/kb/item_types_and_fields#citing_fields_from_extra
  • kadiddle
    edited 3 days ago
    Another vote for a Performance item type. Meanwhile, when using the Presentation item type, which seems to be the closest available, is there a way to have the title treated as a major work (italicized, no quotation marks)? I can add italicization manually (HTML) but the quotation marks stay. The same happens if I use the Extra field.
  • adamsmith
    FWIW, you can use type: performance in Extra to use the CSL "perfomance" type, which I'm pretty sure is configured in Chicago (though not in many other styles)
  • kadiddle
    Thanks, that works. I thought I had tried that, but apparently not, or I did something incorrectly. (I'm also keeping the description "Performance" in the Presentation item type fields to distinguish the performance from references to the script.)
  • dunning
    The performance type is supported in APA, Chicago, MHRA, and styles that I've nearly finished for New Hart's Rules. This is how I encoded the example in CMOS18 14.166:

    https://www.zotero.org/groups/2205533/items/N3I33ZLM
  • kadiddle
    edited 2 days ago
    Definitely getting there!

    A few questions. I notice that the 14.166 example includes composer ("music by") and choreographer, not currently shown in your citation--the tags do exist? Also the note and bibliography output doesn't yet include everything, but maybe it can't until the citation style files are updated? (I had a Q about MLA but I had neglected to check what I was looking at, sorry.)
  • dunning
    edited 2 days ago
    I don't know where one could put a choreographer; the CSL specification gives a full list of supported name types. It's true that 'music by' should be covered by a composer. Interestingly a similar question has also just come up in another thread:

    https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/comment/501778/#Comment_501778

    It is intentional that a performance only appears in the notes; CMOS 14.166 specifies that for live performances 'it is generally sufficient to mention details in the text or in the notes rather than in a bibliography'.

    It looks as if a performance basically works with the MLA 9th edition styles, but they don't yet support all possible roles.
  • kadiddle
    Oh ugh. I guess I hadn't read 14.166 carefully. What counts as a detail? If there's only a note, no bibliographic entry, maybe one should just type the note (if only using CMOS). I don't have MLA 9th ed, only the 8th, but it's more sensible (IMO) by allowing a bib entry.

    With musicals, the choreographer can be important--some have been famous in their own right (e.g. Agnes de Mille, Jerome Robbins). How do dance scholars currently cite dances in Zotero? I suppose they could treat them as authors, but the lack of the name type seems like an oversight.
  • dunning
    When using Chicago notes, the Manual advises listing only items in the bibliography that the reader can follow up, omitting unpublished manuscripts, events, personal correspondence, presentations, etc. Unpublished/inaccessible items appear in notes but not the bibliography.

    All these items are always included in Chicago's shortened notes and author–date systems, where the bibliography functions as a key to interpreting the references rather than an adjunct.

    You could propose a choreographer name type here: https://github.com/citation-style-language/schema
  • kadiddle
    If I understand you correctly, the CMOS rules for bibliographies under the full note system and the shortened note system differ? I don't see an explicit discussion of that, but maybe it's hinted at in 13.21, or I'm just overlooking something. Or I misunderstand you.

    Thanks for the suggestion on making a request for the name type, I've now done so (although since I don't understand GitHub, I did it through citationstyles.org). I've gotten a word added to the OED, so maybe fortune will smile on me again.
  • dunning
    Yes, the rules on what a bibliography is to include are scattered across about a dozen sections. You’ll find citations if you look at the CSL code. Logically however full notes can stand on their own, as in a journal article, whilst the parenthetical and shortened notes systems rely on a full bibliography. For the latter, Chicago only allows for the omission of references that are so simple that they can be given inline, such as unpublished personal communications, biblical and classical references, and standard reference works.
  • kadiddle
    Thanks for the clarification, that's very helpful.
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