Style Request - Harvard that suppresses pincite page numbers

williamcb
edited August 23, 2019
So I'm submitting a paper to the Royal Statistical Society, which says its style is Harvard. And looking at a sample issue, the inline references all omit a page number. But then, when I apply a Harvard style in Word, eg "Sage - Harvard", the page number is included. So is there a way to specify the page number but not have it appear? I've currently got all the page numbers in and don't want to lose them.

Many thanks, W.

PS Specification of style request now further down in thread.
  • dstillman
    https://www.zotero.org/support/kb/harvard_style
  • adamsmith
    edited August 23, 2019
    true for "Harvard" but the underlying question is whether it's possible to have an author-date style that doesn't print locators (answer: yes) and presumably also whether we have such a style, to which the answer is also yes. Here (without any checking) is a list of possible candidates you may want to look at:

    acta-ichthyologica-et-piscatoria.csl
    acta-neurobiologiae-experimentalis.csl
    acta-orthopaedica.csl
    american-journal-of-enology-and-viticulture.csl
    amphibia-reptilia.csl
    aquatic-conservation.csl
    archeosciences.csl
    association-for-computational-linguistics.csl
    australian-journal-of-earth-sciences.csl
    bibtex.csl
    biologia.csl
    biological-psychiatry.csl
    british-journal-of-cancer.csl
    british-journal-of-pharmacology.csl
    bulletin-of-marine-science.csl
    cell.csl
    cellular-reprogramming.csl
    chemical-senses.csl
    chinese-gb7714-2005-author-date.csl
    clinical-anatomy.csl
    clinical-physiology-and-functional-imaging.csl
    coral-reefs.csl
    critical-reviews-in-plant-sciences.csl
    cultivos-tropicales.csl
    developmental-neurobiology.csl
    ecosystems.csl
    el-profesional-de-la-informacion.csl
    ethnobiology-and-conservation.csl
    european-journal-of-pain.csl
    evolution-and-development.csl
    excli-journal.csl
    food-and-agriculture-organization-of-the-united-nations.csl
    friedrich-schiller-universitat-jena-medizinische-fakultat.csl
    genes-to-cells.csl
    genetics-and-molecular-biology.csl
    health-policy-and-planning.csl
    high-altitude-medicine-and-biology.csl
    human-mutation.csl
    human-reproduction.csl
    instituto-de-pesquisas-tecnologicas.csl
    international-journal-of-spatial-data-infrastructures-research.csl
    international-union-of-crystallography.csl
    journal-of-cellular-biochemistry.csl
    journal-of-child-and-adolescent-psychopharmacology.csl
    journal-of-comparative-pathology.csl
    journal-of-infectious-diseases.csl
    journal-of-investigative-dermatology.csl
    journal-of-limnology.csl
    journal-of-molecular-cell-biology.csl
    journal-of-neurophysiology.csl
    journal-of-sleep-research.csl
    marine-biology.csl
    mathematical-geosciences.csl
    molecular-biology-of-the-cell.csl
    mycologia.csl
    neuropsychopharmacology.csl
    pakistani-veterinary-journal.csl
    plant-physiology.csl
    protein-engineering-design-and-selection.csl
    revista-brasileira-de-ciencia-do-solo.csl
    rtf-scan.csl
    science-china-earth-sciences.csl
    science-china-life-sciences.csl
    scientia-agriculturae-bohemica.csl
    sedimentology.csl
    serdica-journal-of-computing.csl
    spip-cite.csl
    springer-basic-author-date-no-et-al.csl
    springer-basic-brackets.csl
    springer-basic-brackets-no-et-al.csl
    springer-mathphys-author-date.csl
    springer-physics-author-date.csl
    springer-vancouver.csl
    springer-vancouver-author-date.csl
    systematic-biology.csl
    the-international-journal-of-psychoanalysis.csl
    traffic-injury-prevention.csl
    ultrasound-in-medicine-and-biology.csl
    university-of-zabol.csl
    university-of-zabol-fa.csl
    vancouver-author-date.csl
    wetlands.csl
    who-europe-harvard.csl
    wolters-kluwerbrede-schrijfwijzer-author-date.csl

    derived using
    grep --files-without-match locator *.csl | xargs grep -l author-date
  • williamcb
    Thank you both for your advice. I went through the list and picked what seemed likely styles but without any success. The ones I tried were:

    - WHO Regional Office for Europe - Harvard
    - Springer Basic (author-date)
    - Springer - MathPhys (author-date)
    - SAGE - Harvard
    - Cell.

    So maybe there is no style that does this.
  • damnation
    We can have a look at making such a style, but will need more info. Especially the examples outlined and a link to the guidelines:
    https://www.zotero.org/support/requesting_styles
  • williamcb
    Style request.

    Journals of the Royal Statistical Society - Series A (but possibly the others, too)
    General specification is Harvard. See https://wol-prod-cdn.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/hub-assets/rss/Notes_for_Authors_2019-1552404816963.pdf
    Journal DOI DOI:10.1111/(ISSN)1467-985X
    The citation format is exactly that for the SAGE - Harvard style (and many others) but even if a pincite page specification has been added to the reference, the pincite is suppressed and not displayed.
    Sample OA article: https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rssa.12391
  • damnation
    Thought this will take me 5min, but the style has many more differences to SAGE Harvard:
    - et al. in italics
    - authors initiliased
    - author name separated by comma
    ....

    Anyway, I have submitted the style: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/raw/807109cfe24a65bf49c761dda6f817c1e323743a/journal-of-the-royal-statistical-society.csl (right clicke, save as...)
  • adamsmith
    Thanks damnation --- will review shortly.

    That said
    - WHO Regional Office for Europe - Harvard
    - Springer - MathPhys (author-date)
    - Cell

    will definitely not print out page numbers for in-text citations, so if they do for you, @williamcb , something is not right and also won't work correctly for the new style. Could you try this out in a new document? How are you switching citation styles?
  • williamcb
    1. That's very odd. I (add and) switch styles in Word by:

    Go to Zotero pane
    Click Document Preferences
    In Zotero, click Manage Styles
    Add the relevant style and return to Zotero Document Preferences
    Highlight the new style
    Click OK
    In Word, click Refresh.

    2. I've restarted Word and Zotero and that has done the trick. The WHO style now removes the pincites.
  • adamsmith
    OK, great. Not sure why that didn't work before the restart.

    (Note that you can simply install styles by clicking on them on zotero.org/styles ; there's no need to interact with "Manage Styles" except to remove installed citation styles)
  • damnation
    edited August 23, 2019
    (I forgot to remove the in text locator from that style with all the other adaptions. Will to tomorrow.)

    edit: this one has the locator removed> https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/raw/9dbd8a2c34fc031a9a27499b3282f9c61e19d01f/journal-of-the-royal-statistical-society.csl
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