Style Request: IB Tauris

tomwbsmith · August 30, 2017

Style doc here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxRm7Bs77IXTdFJBUGZ5LWkzR3M/view?usp=sharing

Example publications:
Rogers, P. (2016). Irregular War: ISIS and the New Threat from the Margins. IB Tauris example pdf see https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxRm7Bs77IXTc3VyRlBpbjdXYzA/view?usp=sharing
Smith, M. (2015). Boko Haram: Inside Nigeria's Unholy War. IB Tauris example pdf see https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxRm7Bs77IXTUkdNNmwtR0JHTnM/view?usp=sharing
Schulze, R. (2002). A modern history of the Islamic world. IB Tauris example pdf see https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxRm7Bs77IXTbll1dXl1cjh3OFk/view?usp=sharing

Thanks so much in advance. I cannot find any style even close to this.

Tom

bwiernik · August 30, 2017

Please format your request as described here:
https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki/Requesting-Styles

In particular, we need the exact two references given there (Campbell/Petersen and Mares).

tomwbsmith · August 31, 2017

Sorry, I will re-post hopefully correct

Endnote citation:

John L. Campbell and Ove K. Pederson, 'The varieties of capitalism and hybrid success', Comparative Political Studies 40/3 (2007), pp. 307-332

Isabella Mares, 'Firms and the welfare state: When, why, and how does social policy matter to employers?', in P. Hall and D.Soskice (eds), Varieties of capitalism. The institutional foundations of comparative advantage (New York, 2001)

Bibliographic Entry

Campbell, John L. and Ove K. Pederson, 'The varieties of capitalism and hybrid success', Comparative Political Studies 40/3 (2007), pp. 307-332

Mares, Isabella, 'Firms and the welfare state: When, why, and how does social policy matter to employers?', in P. Hall and D.Soskice (eds), Varieties of capitalism. The institutional foundations of comparative advantage (New York, 2001)

tomwbsmith · September 25, 2017

Hi - any news? is it possible to get this style added to the repository?

bwiernik · September 25, 2017

@damnation Is this one on your list?

damnation · September 25, 2017

No. That must have been requested when I was on holidays. I'll work on it.

damnation · September 25, 2017

@tomwbsmith
Can you test this out? Also regarding the ibid. https://github.com/POBrien333/styles/raw/8eb5c17bb90181116f1b8b11d558e4e7bf403d02/ib-tauris-note.csl
Let us know what needs changing by explaining it with examples and we get it corrected.

tomwbsmith · September 25, 2017

Hi @damnation thanks. Its good for articles and books but book chapters are coming out wrong - like this:

Varieties of capitalism: The institutional foundations of comparative advantageIsabela Mares, ‘Firms and the welfare state: when, why, and how does social policy matter to employers?’, in Peter A. Hall, David Soskice (eds), Varieties of capitalism: The institutional foundations of comparative advantage (New York, 2001).

And for bibliographies it says false...

Any ideas? thanks a million Tom

damnation · September 25, 2017

My fault. Here it is fixed for chapters: https://github.com/POBrien333/styles/raw/b3d7d41e7029bc5abf29782eefe6b49344c4bcbd/ib-tauris-note.csl

Re the bibliography:
It doesn't have that defined.
Zotero guys, on the Editor it just just the bibliography formatted like in the citations. Is that then also true when one actually uses the style in a word processor?

adamsmith · September 25, 2017

No, Zotero doesn't let you insert bibliographies for styles that don't have a bibliography section.

damnation · September 25, 2017

Tom,
The style guide has two styles defined:
- A note style that has, as outlined, a note section at the end of each chapter.
- A "Harvard" (aka Author-date) style that has in-text citations like (Herbert et al. 2001) and a bibliography section at the very end.

The style I just made is the former.

Rintze · September 26, 2017

@tomwbsmith, did you get that style guide directly from I.B. Tauris? Could you ask them whether it's publicly available, or whether they're okay with us storing a copy as a (publicly accessible) GitHub file attachment (https://help.github.com/articles/file-attachments-on-issues-and-pull-requests/) at https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/2979?

tomwbsmith · September 26, 2017

@Rintze - yes directly from commissioning editor at I.B. Tauris. The style guide is not publically available. I will ask.

tomwbsmith · September 26, 2017

@damnation and @adamsmith - I am checking with I.B. Tauris if they require a Bibiliography. I have seen IBT books with both endnotes and bibliographies.... wherein the Bibliography "the first author name should be inverted so that surname is given first. "

Rintze · September 26, 2017

@tomwbsmith, thanks. We always try to add a documentation link to the repository styles, and we rather link to a publisher-maintained URL, or failing that, a URL that is more under our control than a contributor's Google Drive link.

tomwbsmith · October 4, 2017

@Rintze - Just had confirmation from I.B. Tauris that you can share their House Style document and they thank you for helping

tomwbsmith · October 4, 2017

@damnation and @adamsmith Just had confirmation from the commissioning editor they do require both footnotes and a bibliography. So the style does need to have a bibliography option added that has "the first author name should be inverted so that surname is given first. " as detailed in the style doc.

Hope that is OK?

Tom

damnation · October 4, 2017

Changes made: https://github.com/POBrien333/styles/raw/7b8f071daf47fc44e5fb3dd74a2438fe11bd73d4/ib-tauris-note.csl

tomwbsmith · October 4, 2017

@damnation thanks so much.

Will the style be added to the repository for me to share with my fellow contributors?

damnation · October 4, 2017

Yes, once it's been reviewed it will. We were waiting for you to come back to us with those pieces of info. Give it a couple of days and I'll post here once it's up ;)

You can already use the style though. Right click and save on that link. Download the .csl file and a double click should automatically install it in Zotero. Otherwise you can add styles via the menu in Zotero.

damnation · October 6, 2017

@tomwbsmith
Here you go: https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=id:ib-tauris-note

Rintze · October 10, 2017

(@tomwbsmith, thanks for checking. We saved a copy of the style guide to GitHub)

tomwbsmith · November 7, 2017

@damnation thanks for everything but I have just encountered two small problems:

1- page numbers are not coming through in the references. They do if its an Ibid citation but not on the others.

2- when a source is cited for the second time it does not seem to be switching to the short form as indicated in the I.B. Tauris style guide (Surname, 'Title' pp. 2-3). Instead, I just get the full citation (without specific page numbers).

Can these be fixed?

Thanks so very much. Would it be inappropriate to thank Zotero in the acknowledgements section of the book?

Tom

Rintze · November 7, 2017

Would it be inappropriate to thank Zotero in the acknowledgements section of the book?

Should be fine in general, I think. Go for it! :)

damnation · November 7, 2017

Do you cite those references using Zotero and the citation locator function to specify the pages?

tomwbsmith · November 8, 2017

@damnation yes - as with any other style but they are not showing in the endnote.

adamsmith · November 8, 2017

@damnation -- quick look suggest you only call locator (via the pageref macro) in the "else" condition of the citation, not for all other item types tested before that.

damnation · November 8, 2017

@tomwbsmith
could you test this one?
Right click and save: https://github.com/POBrien333/styles/raw/ad474f4236bad65222720399358d461d169689f5/ib-tauris-note.csl

Adam&Rintze:
CSL/Zotero is able to differentiate if the same citation is directly one after the other (ibid) or further away (subsequent)?

adamsmith · November 8, 2017

CSL/Zotero is able to differentiate if the same citation is directly one after the other (ibid) or further away (subsequent)?

yes, and exactly like that:
- ibid refers to the same citation with either no or the exact same locator
- ibid-with-locator referst to the same citation with a different locator
- subsequent refers to the same citation with at least one citation or (for note style) any other foonote/endnote between them.

damnation · November 8, 2017

Great. thanks for clarifying that! :)

tomwbsmith · November 9, 2017

@damnation

Thanks - problem number one now solved and the page numbers are showing. Great

However, problem number two is still there: on a repeated source I am still getting the long full citation and not the short version.

Thanks

Tom