@keithstanger The Issue should definitely be included and hence fixed in this style.
Re the DOI. I am not sure how these things are generally handled. It's an optional thing, so I am not sure if this should or shouldn't be added. (it's doable for sure though).
There is currently nothing in the code that it puts the issue or doi in.
To fix the issue thing, you'll need to add this line after line 248:
<text variable="issue" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>

I can make a pull request for this to update it, but the style was created in 2014 and I'm not sure for which revision of the style. Currently it seems to be the 8th revision. Maybe this needs general updating?

To add to @adamsmith's comment: if DOIs are optional, we tend to include them because we wish to encourage the use of DOIs, and more generally, because it's always easier to manually delete information from generated references than it is to add it.

And for versioned style guides with multiple editions, we usually only have a CSL style for the latest edition, which is then be updated when a new edition is published.

both DOI and URL in a citation? That seems rather unnecessary/excessive to me. Do they really ask for that?

@keithstanger
Check out the edited style: https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=id:council-of-science-editors-author-date
(I was able to sign up for a 30 day test account to get the guidelines)

I think checking the "include URL" box under Cite--> Styles in the Zotero preferences will sort all of these issues.

It's not exactly my favorite type of fix -- if even you're struggling to find it, I'd say that means significantly <1% of users will -- but I'm glad this will work for you for now.

We've talked about getting rid of that box and doing this properly in the styles, but that's a massive amount of work updating old styles, so there's some trepidation.

Have tried the little URL checkbox many times and it has never gotten the job done. Journal articles get their URLs, but not websites, which is completely counterintuitive. Is there another field we could put the URL in to "trick" Zotero into including it? We are citing online sources but can't provide URLs. Yikes, please help!

My message was part of the Council of Science Editors (CSE name-year) comment stream. That's the style we're using. Meanwhile, I discovered that URLs appear (in CSE name-year bibliographies) IF AN ACCESS DATE IS ENTERED, but not if it isn't. We often do not want to use access dates. Is there any other way to force the URL to appear?

Also, is there a help line I could call and speak to you (or someone) "live"?

Thanks!

That seems like an odd requirement—usually this test is for URL, not accessed. @adamsmith do you know why this one is this way?

@refs4me
We have updated all the CSE styles.
You can update the styles via the preferences or redownload them via the repository: https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=cse

Let us know if it's all working now.

Hi everyone. Thanks again for your help on the URLs. Another question:

CSE wants us to spell out the full agency name in the author area of references, in addition to using the acronym, e.g.:

[EPA] Environmental Protection Agency. 2019. Report name. etc.

The problem is, we/they don't want all that in the text citation, which should just be (EPA 2019). Zotero, however, puts all of it in the citation if it's all entered in the author field. I have figured out two work-arounds, but neither seems great:

1) In some item types, like Reports, we can just put EPA as the author and Environmental Protection Agency as the institution, and it'll show up after the report name in the reference (which I actually prefer to CSE style). But that field isn't universal (I don't think there's any field that works for Documents, even though you'd think publisher would work). We have to fudge each entry to figure out where to put it so it'll show up in a reasonable location in the reference (e.g., tacked onto the end of the title).

2) We can leave the entire [EPA] Environmental Protection Agency in the author field, and when we go to add a citation, we can suppress the author and then add EPA as a prefix. Not only is this clunky and a bother in a long report, but sometimes the a, b, c after the year doesn't work; I haven't figured out why it seems to work sometimes but not others.

If we use one method for one EPA (2019) reference and the other method for a second EPA (2019) reference, Zotero will of course see them as two different authors.

Any ideas?
Thanks!

Thanks, bwiernik.

Your suggestion #1 doesn't seem to work for "documents," which has a Publisher field but it doesn't show up in the bibliography. I also can't get Extras to show up.

In your suggestion #2, the bibliography works as you said (brackets are opposite of CSE but okay), but the in-text citation shows up at least some of the time as ([Environmental Protection Agency] EPA 2019). Sometimes I can delete the "bad" citation and get it to work the next time, though. Very weird... don't know why it's not consistent.

This is for CSE author/date, which may be different than what you were trying?

Thanks.

Would love to. Unfortunately, we have several thousand entries and many of them are already documents. I also got some inconsistent results when I tested with reports. But thanks, your advice has been very helpful.

1) When you update a style in Document Preferences, Zotero re-applies the default formatting for the style. You can modify it by changing the Word "Bibliography" style: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Customize-or-create-new-styles-d38d6e47-f6fc-48eb-a607-1eb120dec563
(Though I don't think CSE requires hanging indents, does it?)

2) Due to some Word bugs, it's not possible to undo all of a Zotero action with one click of Undo or Ctrl-Z. If you click the Undo dropdown menu in the Word title bar, you will see about 10 Zotero actions in a row. Undo all of them at once to undo the Zotero steps.

It only changes when you reset the style through Document Preferences. Otherwise it sticks.