What type for a web site?
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But what would the first-run guidance panel be for? We would add the option to the menu, but then show a guidance panel when it was actually selected the first time?
And +1 for the green plus menu having the same options listed as the one that displays in the entry detail panel.
Forgive me...I'm about to stand on a soapbox but it's a small one.
That being said, I want to reiterate what nsm9 said about the positives of Zotero. I've also been "selling" ("pimping?") Zotero whenever possible. I can't even imagine what putting together my dissertation proposal would be like if I didn't have it to use. That being said, I get that users of technology can be (as my sister says), "prickly" about making suggestions/alerts. Believe me, I know.
In some of the posts above, though, it is clear that you have a user base that appreciates what you've provided and cares enough to provide alerts, suggestions, etc. I would be part of that fan base.
Like some of my contemporaries, I don't pretend to understand the breadth and depth of time and effort to create this great product. However, there's a lot of research (sorry...I can't use Zotero to drop in a bibliography here *grin*) that speaks to the benefits of a spirited and positive discussion about continuous improvement.
Quite bluntly, my point is I got the initial impression, true or only perceived, that the Zotero team was being attacked and projected a sense of being defensive, essentially shutting down the collaborative nature of the discussion thread. Fortunately, the discussion ended on a positive, collaborative, and solution-centered note. It restored my confidence in the future quality of Zotero.
I am not asking for a retort nor +1's to this post. I guess having written a boat load about Appreciative Inquiry for my dissertation (and I'm far from done), I thought I would live what I write.
Ok, I'm done. Hope I didn't force anyone to read this and consider it time they'll never get back *grin*.
Also as a Chrome user, I was confused when i didn't see the "Z" icon in the address field, even when i read this thread on the "cite web page" solution.
Sorted now.
great app, i pimp it and help colleagues whenever they run into problems. I am a 6 month user btw,
Thanks Dev Team!!
We've said above we'll probably add this option with a pop-up warning, but pretty much every single person who's complained about this has been doing exactly the thing we've been trying to help them avoid.
Right-click-->Save as Zotero Snapshot in Chrome/Safari
and
Right-click --> Zotero--> "Create New Webpage Item" or the "Create New Webpage Item" button (which can be set to a keyboard shortcut in Zutilo) in Firefox.
Both work on the page you link to.
Much faster than creating a webpage item by hand. (Though the above outlined solution is still generally agreed on, someone just has to do it).
This will save the page in the "abstract" field. So you have to edit that field as required to avoid copyright issues. (If it is a private library there are no such problems as far as I know.)
If we ignore the abstract bit, though, I don't see how this would result in better metadata than the right-click option and it certainly doesn't seem more convenient.
Hm, maybe it is my version of the translator, yes. (What is the easiest way to see if I have changed a translator?)
For instance, this feature would be useful when the Zotero connector plugins for browsers like Chrome don't work. (Pages such as http://brcatool.stanford.edu/brca.html)
Pretty much usability 101 and you have plenty of evidence to support restoring the option. It'd perhaps be worth including a first-time UI when someone uses the manual method—even just a dialog box—that suggests the future, faster way. ("Did you know you can right-click on any web page? … etc. etc.)
Sure, right-clicking on the page is handy, and maybe I would have preferred it in Firefox had I realized. Opening Zotero in a pane in the bottom of your browser isn't a great user experience. On the other hand, neither is saving a webpage outside of Zotero then switching to Standalone so I can move it to the correct folder. Sometimes right-clicking silently fails. You can save manually in that case, but it's really clunky, since you're actively trying to keep me from doing that.
I think Zotero's a useful tool and hope you'll fix these usability issues. They're not window dressing, they're fundamental to the product.
But, yes, copying and pasting the title, URL, and access date into a manually created item is absolutely using the software wrong, in our opinion. If the webpage-saving function from Chrome silently fails, that's a separate bug that you should report.
There are cases when the manual adds make more sense than going to a web page and using the plug in- e.g. cutting a pasting from another document or listing a (now) obsolete/defunct web site come to mind.