What type for a web site?
If I want to add an entry pointing to a web site like this:
anthrozoology.org | Research in Human-Animal Interaction
http://www.anthrozoology.org/
What "zotero type" would you suggest for it?
anthrozoology.org | Research in Human-Animal Interaction
http://www.anthrozoology.org/
What "zotero type" would you suggest for it?
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In Zotero standalone (very nice that it is released by the way) I can't find anything like that. In the "green +-menu" there is nothing like it. In the item panel I can find "web page" but not "web site".
http://picpaste.com/pics/no-web-site-xiYqtMGr.1329685948.png
"web page" also is not really correct here. I want to point to the site (but I have of course to accept the terminology used).
As for the difference between website and page - yes, they're different, but I don't think they are ever cited differently, which means that one item type is enough for both (remember that bibliographic distinction is the main criterium for different item types - if it were for me (and maybe Zotero's devs in retrospect), item types such as blog post wouldn't exist, either.)
I think Zotero is not only for citing. I add useful things to our common database to make it easier for those who care to find some information. Then I think item types such as "web site", "blog post" or "blog" actually makes a lot of sense.
I'm not sure I understand the question. I assume the five item types right below the green cross adapt automatically to usage patterns. Those types of auto-adaptive menus are common. I can't say 100% that's the case, but it's the only reason I can see why they'd look different on your and my version of standalone.
"I think Zotero is not only for citing."
absolutely, but the number of item types that are potentially useful for _someone_ is limit-less (an art historians may want image, sculpture, drawing, painting, print, installation; a musicologist opera, orchestral work, solo work etc.; a political scientist UN-resolution, EU directive, WTO treaty etc. There would be no end). Hence we restrict item types to those bibliographically necessary and suggest tags and collections to order and structure libraries. As you may know, more visual, color-coded tags (along the lines of gmail) will be in Zotero 3.5.
If you have the Chrome/Safari plugin, right-click on a webpage in Chrome/Safari and select "Save Zotero Snapshot from Current Page". This will be moved to a visible button in a future version. Update (2016): Webpage saving has been moved to the save button in Chrome.
Otherwise, create an item and change the type to "Web Page". You can also use the shortcut key for a new item (Ctrl-Alt-N or Cmd-Shift-N) and press W or use the arrow keys or mouse to select "Web Page".
We could add "Web Page" to the New Item drop-down in Standalone, but given that it's still possible and better to do it from the Chrome/Safari plugins, the original justification for not including it still applies.
In that case I disagree. It is just confusing here. It does not learn me anything that it is missing since it rather prevents me from knowning that there is such a type as "web page" at all.
On the rare occasions that it's necessary to create a Web Page item manually, the workaround is trivial. We consider this a reasonable tradeoff.
This is mainly an issue right now because the Chrome/Safari option is buried in the context menu, and as I said, we'll be moving that to a more visible button in a future release, which will make discovery easier.
But this has been the case for years. The only difference now is that Standalone doesn't have a "Create New Item from Current Page" button as Zotero for Firefox does, but the functionality still exists through the Chrome/Safari plugins. Whether the absence of the button changes the calculation, I'm not sure.
And then, in the course of some regular work, at a web page (in Chrome), I right click, save snapshot. Hmmm, now I go over to Zotero and see THAT item has a Web Page Item type. Strange.
Then I find that I can change existing items from whatever they are, to a Web Page, I just can't manually create a new item of that type. It seems odd.
It then made me wonder what OTHER types of Items are only available via some other means? This green button is broken? Do I have a bad install? Is it an error in the program? Am I confused? Let me spend some time looking around and investigating.
So...please just add ALL of the available Item Types to the green button "more" list. It will save confusion, time, and dismay.
Yes it's a trade-off, but on balance I'm pretty confident that the benefits of the current design outweigh its downsides, your experience notwithstanding.
[by the way, those guidance panels are a very good idea but they should appear more than once - a "don't show again" button wouldn't transform them into the annoying MS-Word assistant "Clippy" - e.g. the quick format guidance panel is hard to remember if you see it only once.]
It's you guys who assume that your experience represents all users.
To add a "web page" in Zotero StandAlone with no connectors or browser addons:
- Click Green+ and select "Blog Post" (for now)
- On the right pane, click the "Item Type" field and scroll down to select "Web Page"
- Click the "Title" field and update.
- Click the "URL" field and enter the URL.
This will effectively give you a Zotero version of a "bookmark" but with meta-data (abstract, type, date, etc).
Enjoy!
I understand the arguments both sides above, but wish to add one further scenario: the scenario in which Chromium extensions stop working (as is currently the case with some versions of Chromium under Ubuntu). The workaround is uneccesary and awkward.
If the devs are really concerned about educating users to add web pages the 'correct' way, then why couldn't you add a first-time use pop-up tip to remind them that using a browser connector is more efficient?
I do not think it is intuitive or helpful to have web page missing from the new item menu.
Thanks.
1) I am building a library from references cited previously in our research center's publications over the past 10 years, and this has been frustrating for me because sometimes I need to manually enter a web page that no longer exists, which means I can't take a snapshot with the chrome extension or with Firefox.
2) I really like Zotero and am trying to "sell" Zotero to my colleagues as a more user-friendly citation manager than Refman, our previous citation manager. I am now training the rest of the staff to use Zotero, and although I have showed everyone efficient ways to enter references (straight from Firefox/chrome), some people prefer to enter them in manually, for whatever reason, and several people have approached me with the issue. I have to tell them to add a reference of any type with the "add item" green plus-sign button, and then right-click on the "item type" field and select web page, because web page shows up in that menu. It's these quirks that make people feel overwhelmed and shy away from the new technology.
At least for the way I and other people in my office use Zotero, it would be less confusing to have all item type menus have all of the item types, including web page. Yes, the way it is could force users to figure out how to use Zotero more efficiently, but I also feel like more options and consistency in the menus couldn't hurt, right?
This is obviously only a minor annoyance, and I came here initially to alert you, since I assumed it was not intentional, but when I found this discussion, I figured I would add my two-cents.
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Edit: though not the "more" button. It would appear when trying to add web page items only