Ibid. in a sequence of cites
Hi,
I am editing the International Organization style (a footnote style), but my question is rather general in the application of Ibid. I am using CSL 1.0 with the web-based zotero plug-in for firefox and the Office Word add-in to insert my citations;
When I insert a sequence of cites (so e.g. 2 books) of which the first is the same as my previous citation, Zotero uses Ibid. for the first site and then adds the other cites. Example:
1) Addis 2008.
2) Ibid.; Wigginton 1996.
Piece of code defining this:
<if position="ibid-with-locator">
<group delimiter=", ">
<text term="ibid"/>
<text macro="point-locators-subsequent"/>
</group>
</if>
<else-if position="ibid">
<text term="ibid"/>
</else-if>
Is there any way I could change this? That it just puts the full citation whenever it is in a sequence citation of more than one cite?
Thanks,
Leen
I am editing the International Organization style (a footnote style), but my question is rather general in the application of Ibid. I am using CSL 1.0 with the web-based zotero plug-in for firefox and the Office Word add-in to insert my citations;
When I insert a sequence of cites (so e.g. 2 books) of which the first is the same as my previous citation, Zotero uses Ibid. for the first site and then adds the other cites. Example:
1) Addis 2008.
2) Ibid.; Wigginton 1996.
Piece of code defining this:
<if position="ibid-with-locator">
<group delimiter=", ">
<text term="ibid"/>
<text macro="point-locators-subsequent"/>
</group>
</if>
<else-if position="ibid">
<text term="ibid"/>
</else-if>
Is there any way I could change this? That it just puts the full citation whenever it is in a sequence citation of more than one cite?
Thanks,
Leen
Which style doesn't want that?
Thanks for the comments.
fbennet: If I understand your sentence right, I think I ment it different. I want to make a distinction between
1) ibid in a single source footnote referring to a sole reference to the same source in the preceding citation
2) ibid as the first cite in a footnote that contains multiple sources
In that last case, I don't want it to use Ibid, but write the whole reference.
I work with an author-date-citation and this leads to unclear references in two cases.
Case 1:
I quote two sources, e.g. "lore ipsum (Smith 2018, Meier 2019)". Afterwards I will quote the last source from the previous citation. In the example Meier 2019. This appears as "dolor sit amet (ibid)". More reasonable would be "dolor sit amet (Meier 2019)".
Case 2:
I quote a source, e.g. "dolor sit amet (Meier 2019)". Afterwards I want to quote a source with several sources and the previously quoted one should be put in first place. This leads to "lore ipsum (ibid, Smith 2018)". More reasonable would be "lore ipsum (Meier 2019, Smith 2018)".
If there is a solution I would be glad about a hint.
Thank you in advance
Joshua Weber
But generally we don't spend much time optimizing ibid for in-text citations. I'm guessing this is for a German citation style? Pretty much no one outside of the German-speaking world uses this and it should probably go away there, too.
I was somehow waiting for a rss-feed-like e-Mail. I don't know exactly why... :-)
Thank you for your answer. I am talking about these style and yes, it is a german one: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/hochschule-fur-soziale-arbeit-fhnw.csl
Can you reproduce the issue? Maybe there is an issue within the style?
Thanks
Joshua Weber
I was wondering if you have taken a look at the style/issue in the meantime? That would be great.
Thank you in advance
Joshua Weber