Thanks for pointing this out. It will need to be fixed in the processor. I'll take a look.

Just being curious, about when is “in due course”? I’m asking because this feature is much needed, I end up manually editing about three fourths of my “ibid.” notes, and not getting my ibidems confused was one of the main reasons why I started to use a citation manager.

Then, I’m afraid, it doesn’t work. When I insert two subsequent citations of them same piece, then Zotero 3.0b3.1 SA/NeoOffice on Mac OS X cites them as:

31. Phaedo
32. See Ibid.

It’s not urgent, but it would be nice if you could have a look on this.

The example given by Odin should have worked correctly. If anything in a cite, including a prefix, is rendered before a term, the term will be printed as it appears in the locale. If nothing is rendered before the term, the initial character will be capitalized by default.

@adamsmith: That's probably the source of the trouble indeed. The logic will be trumped by a text-case attribute, so the style should not apply one to the ibid term, and it should be provided in all-lowercase form by the locale.

(There are some small bugs in this, involving full-stop punctuation, that will soon be fixed. I've been starting to write a bit myself lately [at last!], in a footnote style that makes heavy use of prefix/suffix elements, so it's getting some exercise locally as well.)

Which style are you using?

just so I don't break anything, let me repeat what I'm understanding:
If ibid is used in a style without any text-case settings it will be capitalized when it occurs by itself and put in lowercase when it's part of a prefix - correct?

actually - I'm not sure how to handle this atm - if we change this on the repo now, we'll get inconsistent behavior in Zotero 2.1.10 - I'd be inclined to change the styles when Zotero 3.0 comes out of beta which should be soon.
Thouhts?

@odin: this thread isn't about updates to the styles, but a bug in the processor that has been fixed, as far as I know. If you have another issue, start another thread.

Oops, sorry.

Thanks a lot, works like a charm.

Does your prefix by any chance end in a period, e.g.., "Cf." or "Vgl."? Zotero treats that as end of sentence and thus capitalises the next letter.

If that’s the case, there was a discussion about this elsewhere, which came to the conclusion that fixing this would be difficult to get right and would venture too far into “final edit territory“. But a simple-ish search and replace pattern should fix this.

I will let this go in a moment but I wonder: Is a prefix not necessarily *not* a sentence of it's own? And shouldn't terms following a prefix therefore *never* be capitalized? After all, if what comes right before a reference is a complete sentence of it's own then it shouldn't be implemented as a prefix to the reference. Am I missing something here?

Any chance we might change their mind? I guess *never* capitalizing the ibid term when there is a prefix *except* when the style says otherwise produces correct output more often than not, thereby reducing the need for final editing.

I'm certainly open to persuasion, but I don't really have a sense of what people commonly put into the affix fields. In my own writing I often put full sentences in there, but that's just me. Sebastian (adamsmith) may be able to say something about use patterns (and everyone with a view is welcome to pitch in on this).

May I ask why you want people to put whole sentences into the prefix and suffix fields of references? I don't want to get religious here but to me a reference is just that: a "pointer" to a source, not a statement. In (at least some parts of) the humanities, footnotes several sentences long, maybe even containing quotations, and ending with a "cf."/"vgl." reference are not unusual. It would be very cumbersome to put all of that into the prefix field of a Zotero reference.