Working with French names in Chicago Manual
I am using Zotero with LibreOffice integration to insert footnotes in Chicago Manual of Style format. Some of my footnotes contain references to authors with prepositions in their names, for example.
Henri de Saint-Simon
Robert de Lamennais
I have entered these names in the database as follows: Last name: de Saint-Simon / First name: Henri. This works out well because the preposition "de" is really part of the last name. In my bibliography, de Saint-Simon is listed under S. Under language, I select French in order to ensure that the name in the bibliography is maintained as "Henri de Saint-Simon" instead of "Henri De Saint-Simon."
When I insert a footnote, however, there is a difficulty. Footnotes for Chicago style, as I understand it, should format subsequent references to de Saint-Simon as "De Saint-Simon" because the name comes at the beginning of the sentence. Instead I get:
1. Henri de Saint-Simon....
2. de Saint-Simon.
Is there a way to get "2. De Saint-Simon"? Do you know any ways to work around this difficulty, apart from manually changing each note? I appreciate any advice you might give.
Henri de Saint-Simon
Robert de Lamennais
I have entered these names in the database as follows: Last name: de Saint-Simon / First name: Henri. This works out well because the preposition "de" is really part of the last name. In my bibliography, de Saint-Simon is listed under S. Under language, I select French in order to ensure that the name in the bibliography is maintained as "Henri de Saint-Simon" instead of "Henri De Saint-Simon."
When I insert a footnote, however, there is a difficulty. Footnotes for Chicago style, as I understand it, should format subsequent references to de Saint-Simon as "De Saint-Simon" because the name comes at the beginning of the sentence. Instead I get:
1. Henri de Saint-Simon....
2. de Saint-Simon.
Is there a way to get "2. De Saint-Simon"? Do you know any ways to work around this difficulty, apart from manually changing each note? I appreciate any advice you might give.
2. De Saint-Simon
but
3. See also de Saint-Simon
which can't be hard coded via capitalize-first. I thought we already did that type of thing for something, but it's a very vague memory.
It seems to suggest that note citations should indeed start with a capital letter:
"If ibid is used in a style without any text-case settings it will be capitalized when it occurs by itself and put in lowercase when [it is preceded by a prefix]"
1. poirmw: I didn't put "de" with the first name because I wanted to have my footnotes follow the French convention in subsequent footnotes (De Saint-Simon,...) and bibliographies (De Saint-Simon, Henri. ...)
2. Rintze: are you suggesting that the Chicago Style should already be formatting my documents as I am trying to do? Or do I need to figure out how to use the CSL editor?
Thanks.
Rintze is suggesting a change (in the future) in the way CSL handles these cases (or the citeproc-js CSL processor) . But at the moment, I'm afraid you'll have to edit manually each note.
@Rintze, adamsmith: If this is implemented, I think that should not affect the bibliography.
In haste,
Frank