I love Zotero and appreciate all of the work that goes into this. I understand that style guides get updated. But when we write papers, our guide is the school. My school and many others still require ibid. Turabian 8 was in the repos, it does not seem like that big of a deal to leave it in there. I would dowload the csl and install it manually, but I do not know how to do it or even how to find it for that matter. I have read the forums; my only recourse is to use Chicago 16. If Chicago 16 can be left in there, why not leave Turbian 8? That would be less confusing for those of us who do not understand all of this anyway. As stated, it is our schools that require ibid. The Turabian style does not grade our papers. We have to do what the school requires. This is not a complaint, just a request. That Zotero is free and open source is a huge blessing and I can not say thank you enough.
I will have to use Chicago 16, I guess. Or may have to go back to Mendeley or RefWorks. Zotero is much better than either one of those, but it is good to have options.
@tonylominac Mendeley and RefWorks use the same CSL styles as Zotero. Turabian 8th edition is based on Chicago 16th edition and the styles will give you the same results.
It’s very common for schools to specify older editions, not because they want students to learn an old system, but because they don’t have the time to pay attention to these changes. The last papers I assessed included guidance listing Chicago 15th (!) edition as one of three options for citation systems, but I can absolutely guarantee that none of our assessors marked students down for using the 18th edition rather than the 15th.
Since Turabian is simply a student guide to Chicago style, the options need to be kept as easy as possible; it’s common for people to use the first option in the list without noticing that it’s for an old edition. Ibid. is however still an official choice, and if schools are specifically asking for this, it might make sense to retain it as a variant.
Thanks for the work you do, Dunning, and the information you have shared. I will use Chicago 16 if it does the same things as Turabian 8. I do not understand why Chicago 16 can stay, but Turabian 8 with ibid had to be removed, but I guess there are good reasons for taking it out. I am thankful for Zotero, and the fact that it is free is amazing, especially for us old guys who struggle with all the technology stuff. It is very trying at times to be a 60-year-old college student, and we struggle with adapting to change. I also do not know why my school wants to stick with Turabian 8 and ibid instead of moving to Turabian 9. But we all do what we have to do. Thank you for your time and all of the work you do.
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All of those you can find here: https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=Chicago
This is not a complaint, just a request. That Zotero is free and open source is a huge blessing and I can not say thank you enough.
It’s very common for schools to specify older editions, not because they want students to learn an old system, but because they don’t have the time to pay attention to these changes. The last papers I assessed included guidance listing Chicago 15th (!) edition as one of three options for citation systems, but I can absolutely guarantee that none of our assessors marked students down for using the 18th edition rather than the 15th.
Since Turabian is simply a student guide to Chicago style, the options need to be kept as easy as possible; it’s common for people to use the first option in the list without noticing that it’s for an old edition. Ibid. is however still an official choice, and if schools are specifically asking for this, it might make sense to retain it as a variant.