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I concur with Swami (to the surprise of no one reading this thread, I suspect). Though I'm willing to cut the zotero devs a bit of slack here - it's only been a few months since this thread began, and developing a radically new paradigm for handling…
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I just tried this again. Zotero worked fine through EZProxy on ABC-CLIO, but wouldn't work with either jstor or my university's library catalog (UW Madison).
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That sounds good - as I said above, it sounds like there is general agreement on what the underlying structure should look like, and the biggest remaining questions surround implementation and interface. So I'll look forward to seeing what you'll c…
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Matthias writes: "the types of the related items (plus any other field info) can account for many (if not all?) of these relations, though IMHO this pretty much brings us back to the current flat model with many item types. Current bibliographic app…
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Earlier, Josh wrote: "if a book can be either a collection or a document depending solely on perspective, then it fundamentally can't be described in an objective way (which is crucial to data portability and interoperability). Since one could *alwa…
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Matthias, I also like the idea of building in a capacity for lots of different kinds of relationships, and many of the ones you mention make sense (though many of these would not matter for purposes of citations, there are other benefits). …
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I've just had a long post erased by a connection blip. A pox on fuzzy wireless connections. I had two points, I think: first, re: Josh's comment: "It seems useful to avoid conflating an authentic original with its reproductions - we cite them …
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Matthias: "I'd argue that the relationships between items and its higher-level categories (subclasses) should not be dogmatically fixed. Why shouldn't it be possible to relate an interview to a book in one instance and to relate it to an internet br…
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A couple of questions re: Josh & Sean's schema. First, how does this model address the fact that in many cases a "reproduced in"-type item (such as a collection of documents) is also a specific document in its own right (such as a book, or journ…
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bdarcus writes: "So I choose a "chapter" type and get the fields. I get to the "book title" field and get auto-complete options. Since I've not yet entered the book, I won't see what I'm looking for. So I then enter the additional fields." So b…
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Agreed. In the interests of doing so, I'll repost the comments I made earlier about UI design, which have nothing to do with relational tables, etc.: "You still need a way to select a parent/publication from within another item" In the cu…
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I see: so whether "Cambridge, Mass." or any other bit of data to be manipulated exists in a single record in a related table, or in lots of different records in an unrelated table, a script can be written that makes a universal change possible, and…
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Off the top of my head, some brainstorming re: Dan's UI needs: "You still need a way to select a parent/publication from within another item" In the current model, to enter a new citation in my word processor I open my biblio database, fi…
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The following question may fall into the "obvious" category for many or most of you, but perhaps answering it will help familiarize us non-techies with some of the technical difficulties we're facing, and maybe kick-start some brainstorming about al…
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A quick thought - it might help facilitate this conversation (and the inclusion in the discussion of non-techies, or even techies with different areas of expertise) to have a basic glossary of acronyms (CSL, RDF, etc.) and other key terms relevant t…
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First, thanks to Josh for initiating this discussion, and also for linking to that thread from last October, which helped answer some of my questions. This should be an interesting discussion. One of the reasons that the inadequacies of biblio pro…
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Friends, I've looked through a good deal of your documentation, and various developer-oriented forums, and found much that is of interest, but I haven't found anything that addresses my specific question: how are you planning to resolve the ma…
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Thank you for your responses. Would any of you care to elaborate on the plans to address these issues in a post-1.0 release? I've been through your developer documentation site twice now, and it sounds like you're doing some very interesting stuff, …
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I've been playing around with the "letter" reference type that you mentioned. I appreciate that this software is still in beta stage, but I fail to see any difference between Zotero's "letter" reference type and any other bibliographic program's. Th…
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I've had the same problem, through the University of Wisconsin's ezproxy server. Zotero recognizes sites only when I'm not using the proxy, but I can only actually read the articles when I am using the proxy. Quite the catch-22.
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Actually, I don't think that the same rule applies to multiple chapters from an edited volume. At least, I haven't found anything to this effect in my 14th ed. of CMS. The distinction makes sense to me because authors rarely cite more than two or th…
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I'll use a specific example: Let's say I cite a letter from a collection (published, archival, microfilm, whatever) and subsequently cite a different letter from the same collection. The second citation should include the full biblio informatio…