Multi-volume Books
Hi,
I have been using Zotero for about 6 months now and I like it. I do have a question about how you input books with 2 or more volumes. It seems that if you enter the number of volumes into the category for volumes it doesn't not ask or export that information into a footnote or bibliographic citation. How do you do this without entering each volume individually? Does Zotero do this?
Also I have noticed for the Chicago Manual of Style 15th edition, Zotero does not place commas in the correct places or does not place them at all. Is there a fix for that? I am running the latest and greatest version at the moment.
Thanks,
Victor
I have been using Zotero for about 6 months now and I like it. I do have a question about how you input books with 2 or more volumes. It seems that if you enter the number of volumes into the category for volumes it doesn't not ask or export that information into a footnote or bibliographic citation. How do you do this without entering each volume individually? Does Zotero do this?
Also I have noticed for the Chicago Manual of Style 15th edition, Zotero does not place commas in the correct places or does not place them at all. Is there a fix for that? I am running the latest and greatest version at the moment.
Thanks,
Victor
Please give examples of citations where commas are placed incorrectly so we can fix the styles.
Thanks!
Thanks for the info but that doesn't really answer my question about the volume numbers. When you enter the information are you only enter the book once in the section marked Volume do you put 1 thru 3 (if there are three volumes) or are you adding the book 3 times and each time putting a 1,2,or 3 into the section for volumes to distinguish it from the other books?
As for the type of citation used it has been the Chicago Full note w/ Bibliography. As to whether they were public or development style I have no idea. I used the style that was provided in the program.
Here is an example of a missing comma for a work with a full Bibliography. The first example is how it appeared in my paper, the second is how Chicago Manual of Style 15th edition wants it.
Mack Smith, Modern Italy: A Political History 258
Mack Smith, Modern Italy: A Political History, 258.
The title was Italicized correctly.
Does that help explain this or do you need something else?
Thanks,
Victor
Luigi Albertini, The Origins of the War of 1914, translated by Isabella Massey (New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005a), 65.
Luigi Albertini, The Origins of the War of 1914, translated by Isabella Massey (New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005b), 123
Luigi Albertini, The Origins of the War of 1914, translated by Isabella Massey (New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005c), 87
Albertini, The Origins of the War of 1914, 200
As you will see it seperates the volumes as "A,B or C" after the date for a footnote. It should be:
Luigi Albertini, The Origins of the War of 1914, translated by Isabella Massey (New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005), 1:65
Or
Luigi Albertini, The Origins of the War of 1914, vol. 1, translated by Isabella Massey (New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005), 65
Or
Albertini, The Origins of the War of 1914, 1:200
For the Bibliography it does the same thing.
Albertini, Luigi. The Origins of the War of 1914. Translated by Isabella Massey. New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005a.
Albertini, Luigi. The Origins of the War of 1914. Translated by Isabella Massey. New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005b.
Albertini, Luigi. The Origins of the War of 1914. Translated by Isabella Massey. New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005c.
It should be:
Albertini, Luigi. The Origins of the War of 1914. Translated by Isabella Massey. 3 vols. New York, NY: Enigma Books, 2005.
thanks for taking the time to look at of this.
Victor
Please update the style again at http://www.zotero.org/styles/ before trying this.
What to do with multiple volume books of which the volumes have titles? Take Greenberg's (1978) Universals of Human Language, for example. It consists of four volumes, all with their own title (e.g. vol. 3 is titled 'Word Structures'). I see no way currently to enter this volume title in Zotero and to have it correctly cited.
Any ETA on when hierarchical item types will be implemented?
Another example: I can't get Zotero to produce this sort of bibliographic entry (using the SBL style):
Carson, D. A. “Mystery and Fulfillment: Toward a More Comprehensive Paradigm of Paul’s Understanding of the Old and New.” Pages 393–436 in The Paradoxes of Paul. Vol. 2 of Justification and Variegated Nomism. Edited by D. A. Carson, Peter T. O’Brien, and Mark A. Seifrid. Wissenschaftliche Untersuchungen zum Neuen Testament 181. Grand Rapids: Baker, 2004.
Carson, D. A. “Mystery etc.” In Paradoxes etc., edited by Mark A. Seifrid, 393-436. Justification etc. 2. Grand Rapids: Baker.
If you want the "<title> 2" to be "Vol. 2 of <title>" and "393-436" to be "Pages ... of" it's not at all impossible, but you have to do some hacking in your style csl-file.
Watts, I., 1813. The Privilege of the Living Above the Dead. In The Works of the Rev. Isaac Watts D.D. in Nine Volumes. Leeds: Edward Baines, pp. 533-581.
Every four years the international conference on patristic studies convenes. Like clockwork, the proceedings are published, nearly each time by a different publisher. The proceedings are titled Studia Patristica, and each conference produces four or five volumes. Those volumes are numbered sequentially (as if SP is an ongoing multivolume work), but sometimes a volume is split into several subvolumes. Each volume and subvolume has its own title, even its own editors. But the title that is best known by scholars is that of Studia Patristica. Furthermore (as if this weren't complicated enough) a publisher for a given set ofproceedings might incorporate the SP volumes they've been assigned into another series they publish.
What the average scholar in the field wants to see, as far as a footnote reference, is something like one of these two options:
- John W. Watt, "The Syriac Adapter of Evagrius' Centuries," Studia Patristica 17, no. 3 (Elmsford, NY: Pergamon Press, 1982), 1388-95.
- John W. Watt, "The Syriac Adapter of Evagrius' Centuries," Studia Patristica 17 (Elmsford, NY: Pergamon Press, 1982), 3:1388-95.
That's really about all a busy scholar wants to read. No subtitle of the volume in question (Athanasius, Cappadocian Fathers, Chrysostom, Augustine and his Opponents, Oriental Texts). No Roman numerals (its appearance on the title page is a publisher's conceit). And the Arabic numeral should not be set in italics, so it's clear that a volume is being referred to. And the place of publication and the name of the press is very helpful.In Zotero, if you enter this record as a journal article, you cannot supply publisher information. If you enter it as a book section you are faced with dissatisfying choices. The best approach seems to be to put under Book Title Studia Patristica 17 or some variant. But this ensconces the volume number in the title itself, when really it is metadata. It complicates, if not altogether thwarts, efforts to abide by CMS (16th ed.) 14.121-27, 14.154.
Studia Patristica is but one of a number of humanities publications that can be classified by intelligent readers as multivolume books, series, or serials. And entering information on these chimeras proves as challenging as the example above. Any support Zotero developers can give to this feature in a future version would be greatly appreciated.
One might ask if a (sub-volume or "issue") number should be added to the database, to address Arithmeticus's use case. I'm not sure. But, it seems "less bad" to subvert the already available volume field and using a style that will export that volume, rather than to either (I would argue) mis-type a reference or to subvert the title field.
Placing Volume="17, no.3" in a conference proceeding leads to the following citation, generated by Zotero using the Chicago style:
Watt, John. “The Syriac Adapter of Evagrius' Centuries.” In Studia Patristica, 17, no. 3:1388-95. Elmsford, NY: Pergamon Press, 1979.
I don't feel I know enough about these types of publications to have a strong opinion either way, but wouldn't these appear to be periodicals in the literal sense of the word?
Yes, this may be periodic in time (many conferences are), but it has no other marks of the modern journal (published multiple times throughout a single year, under a single publishing house) & lacks the publication-specific (e.g. ISSN) and article-specific identifiers (e.g. DOI) that have become commonplace. We have a "conference proceeding" type & Studia Patristica passes the duck test to use that type.
Perhaps we should change some types to include more fields, but to argue that the journal article type should be changed so we can add an object which is not only NOT a journal article, but for which there is ALREADY a type in Zotero and CSL is just interface pollution.
If it doesn't, the changes put in place for 4.1 will make future such changes much less complicated, so that not-inclusion in 4.2 doesn't mean another 3 years of waiting.