Cell Stem Cell - Same first author & year problem

brucey
I'm using the citation style of the Journal: Cell Stem Cell

All fine except for two problems...

1. When there are only two authors on a paper, the first appearance of the citation in my text is correctly:
"Name X and Name Y (200X)"
But... the next time the same citation appears in the text it appears incorrectly as:
"Name X et al (200X)"

2. When there are two articles by the same first author in the same year, instead of listing them as "Name X et al (200Xa)" and "Name X et al (200Xb)" it lists the full list of authors for each paper followed by (200X). This is very odd!

Does anyone have a solution to either of these problems?
  • adamsmith
    1. I can't replicate that. The Cell style uses et al starting with three authors. It doesn't distinguish between first and subsequent citations.
    2. Shouldn't happen either - that behavior exists as an option in Zotero, but isn't used in the style.

    Ideas:
    a) try re-installing the style. Instead of Cell Stem Cell, just use Cell Journal - they're supposed to be identical, but potentially something went wrong.
    b) Name X and Name Y (200X) - Zotero doesn't do these types of citations. It does
    (Name X and Name Y 200X). To get to the former you have to either use the "suppress author" button in the plugin and type the names by hand (in which case Zotero wouldn't have any influence on how they look) (this is the recommended way of doing this), or you'd have to alter the citation using show editor - in which case it won't update anymore, so if you did this, using an old, wrong cell style, using the updated one won't help.
  • brucey
    Hi,

    Thanks for your quick response!

    I've tried re-installing the style and also just using Cell Journal but both problems still exist. I thought perhaps it was a bug in my document (as it's rather big), but the same occurs in a blank document.

    Problem 1 is solved using some other styles such as Mycological research, but problem 2 still exists.

    Problem 2: You say the behaviour exists in Zotero. Perhaps my program has it selected or something? Is there a way for me to check and remove this behaviour?

    Many thanks!

    Examples...

    Problem 1:
    This is the same reference, just added twice (first one is correct):
    (Franklin and Ffrench-Constant, 2008)
    (Franklin et al., 2008)

    Problem 2:
    (Kim, Sebastiano, et al., 2009)
    (Kim, Greber, et al., 2009)

    … rather than Kim et al., 2009a and/or 2009b

    Interestingly, if there is only one author, it will assign an 'a' and 'b' to the year.
  • adamsmith
    OK, I just retested - the Cell style in the repository does this exactly right, I'm not sure what's going on.

    As for issue 2 - the option is turned on or off in each style - there is no Zotero setting that can be wrong.

    So let's see, go here (i.e. put this into Firefox like any other URL)
    chrome://zotero/content/tools/csledit.xul
    select the Cell Journal style
    then select the citation relevant for issue 1.
    Then select "Subsequent" from the scrolldown menu that says "Citation is:"
    What do you get below?

    The for problem 2, just select those 2 citations, click refresh on the top left (not your Firefox reload!) and see what happens.

    Finally, look at the code for the style in that window. Scroll down about 2/3 and find the section that starts with
    <citation>
    What are the first 8 lines following the <citation> tag?
  • brucey
    Hi,

    Thanks again for your help!

    I've followed your instructions above (selecting Cell Journal), and I'm seeing the same formats displayed as I am seeing in my documents. ie. the incorrect versions as above.

    Here is the code that I get in the section starting with <citation>

    <citation>
    <option name="et-al-min" value="3"/>
    <option name="et-al-use-first" value="1"/>
    <option name="et-al-subsequent-min" value="2"/>
    <option name="et-al-subsequent-use-first" value="1"/>
    <option name="disambiguate-add-year-suffix" value="true"/>
    <option name="disambiguate-add-names" value="true"/>
    <option name="collapse" value="year"/>
    <layout prefix="(" suffix=")" delimiter="; ">


    Many thanks indeed!
  • brucey
    Hi,

    I've had a play around and I seem to be able to solve both problems with the following code:

    <citation>
    <option name="et-al-min" value="3"/>
    <option name="et-al-use-first" value="1"/>
    <option name="et-al-subsequent-min" value="3"/>
    <option name="et-al-subsequent-use-first" value="1"/>
    <option name="disambiguate-add-year-suffix" value="true"/>
    <option name="disambiguate-add-names" value=""/>
    <option name="collapse" value="year"/>
    <layout prefix="(" suffix=")" delimiter="; ">
    <group delimiter=", ">


    I'm not sure how to 'set' this for use in my document though?

    Many thanks!
  • adamsmith
    OK, that's it then. For some reason you have the wrong style and it doesn't update.
    This is what it should look like:
    <citation>
    <option name="et-al-min" value="3"/>
    <option name="et-al-use-first" value="1"/>
    <option name="disambiguate-add-year-suffix" value="true"/>
    <option name="collapse" value="year"/>
    <layout prefix="(" suffix=")" delimiter="; ">

    First try this:
    Go to the Zotero preferences, Styles tab, and remove the "Cell Journal" style by selecting it and clicking the - sign. Zotero will ask you if you are sure --> click OK.
    Then re-install the Cell Journal style from the style repository.

    If that doesn't work, in the Zotero Preferences, go to the advanced tab and there click "Reset Translators and Styles".
    You will then be left with only the pre-installed styles. Re-install the Cell Journal style and any other styles you need from the repository.
  • brucey
    Amazing!

    Just before your response I actually edited the Cell Journal file to the correct code and saved & installed it as my own version - which worked as well.

    Thank you so much for your help - recommend Zotero (and its support forum!) to all.
  • adamsmith
    I would actually try to get the newest version, as there have been other fixes and improvements - but I'm glad you got it working for you.

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