Zotero 10 + Jurism Feature Request

observerofpeers
Is there a possibility of Zotero adding features similar to Jurism in the near future to properly cite cases, law, legal statues, etc... like Jurism has done? The ability to have a jurisdiction to select from Jurism and have it cite the proper format in the Blue Book or Chicago Manual style was supper helpful. I'm finding citations for legal statues to be not comprehensive in Zotero 10, unless I'm missing something.
  • aborel
    https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/130539/new-indigobook-plugin-replicates-many-juris-m-functions/p1

    (with a number of updates since then)
  • AndySymons
    I support this request. CNE is a useful add-on but still offers less than Jurism.
    I would like to retain the Jurism facility to provide multiple translations and transliterations of almost any field (whether or not used in citations).

    I am working on a migration routine from Jurism 6 to Zotero 9 + CNE, but have to go to great pains to preserve information that cannot be stored in native Zotero 9 or CNE, so have to go directly to CSL tags or custom Notes.

    https://github.com/AndySymons/Jurism-to-Zotero-migrator
  • aborel
    edited 22 days ago
    I think both CNE and Citation-Phoenix, each focusing on different functionalities that used to be available in Jurism, are actively developed as we speak. I'm confident their respective developers would like to hear about possible improvements in their plugins? I assume that functional/architectural gaps should be of particular interest.
  • AndySymons
    @Aborel For me, it is limiting that CNE only includes one target language and script type (English, Latin). I believe you can use a different language than English, but not a different script.

    The point is that CNE forces you to pick a target language at the time you create the Item. I would like Jurism's capability to store any number of languages and scripts against the Item in the database, then pick the appropriate ones based on the target language and citation style for the document being drafted.

    I should in theory be able to write the same dissertation in German and Russian, citing sources in Chinese, Greek, and French, with appropriate transliterations and translations in each case. Why not?
  • risch
    @observerofpeers citation-phoenix definitely has basically all the legal citation functions of juris-m and should be plug compatible - able to load a current library and work with it. Report any issues obviously. It does not replicate the multi-script though.
  • AndySymons
    edited yesterday at 10:27am
    I have not tried Citation-Phoenix yet, so cannot comment in detail. It sounds like a very useful plugin.
    Have you tried it together with CNE?
    When you say "plug compatible" do you mean that Zotero with Citation-Phoenix can directly read a Jurism database?

    I would like to see Zotero absorb both Citation-Phoenix and CNE features into the mainstream package, to at least the level of Jurism in terms of both features and UI.
    - All Jurism special Legal Types (covered in Citation-Phoenix?)
    - Unlimited language and script variants, like Jurism. CNE only offers one language variant (English) and one Script variant (Latn) on a limited number of fields -- certainly the most important fields for citations, but not as many as Jurism.
  • risch
    I have not tried the two together. I don't know enough about the language stuff to test - others can and report any issued. I have worked with an Austrian author, so I know citation-phoenix works decently multi-lingually (I've tested a few languages myself), but I don't know about multi script.

    There could be a clash with CNE if it's adding new fields. I add the exact fields that Jurism does - in fact, I add them dynamically, using the same schema file that jurism uses. If the schema changes, then the fields change. I also use the exact jurisdiction files as jurism, and those have been updated (and several bugs fixed) by Georg Duffner.

    The Zotero folks have said for years that they are not adding this functionality - I don't see it happening soon. It's actually a lot to maintain.
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