How do I add an endnote with text/commentary using Zotero in MS Word?

Apologies if this has been asked/answered. I searched the forums and could not find the right terms. This issue is my main challenge in finally abandoning Endnote for Zotero!

In my field (chemistry) it is very common for the reference section to contain mixtures of references and additional text/commentary. I am not sure what to properly call this, but in a numbered list of references at the end of a typical chemistry paper, one might see the following two types of non-standard references.

Example 1 - commentary text followed by reference.
3. For examples of using tert-butanesulfinamide for the synthesis of tertiary carbinamines, see: Ellman et al, Journal Year, pages.

Example 2 - commentary text in place of a reference.
5. Although frequently cited in the literature as a chiral auxiliary, tert-butane sulfinamide is more properly called a chiral ammonia equivalent because its nitrogen remains in the product after cleavage.
  • You'd want to use a "note" style that is set to "Endnotes" (in the document preferences in the Zotero tab).
    Zotero note styles use the Word footnotes system, so you can mix real citations with commentary like you want.
  • Though most chemistry styles are numeric styles -- i.e. numbers in the text, bibliography in the end, with repeated citations to the same item carrying the same number.
    In that system, commentary like this doesn't make a lot of sense (it's a bibliography, after all) and isn't supported by Zotero/CSL.
  • edited today at 9:58am
    FWIW, just because it doesn't make a lot of sense doesn't mean it doesn't happen -
    after all, does it make sense that over 10'000 different bibliographic styles exist? :-)

    Now speaking as a former chemist, I can imagine the kind of note that the OP is suggesting. And I suspect that the numeric styles, in particular if the in-text reference numbers appear without any other characters (i.e. no parentheses or square brackets) actually push into that direction: while it would make more sense to use footnotes for such comments, having 2 different number sequences within the document feels extremely confusing.

    Anyway, I don't think journals actually require this kind of notes (end- or foot-) , they will just allow them. Since this is not supported, the best work-around is probably to avoid them. If something is worth saying, it feels easier to write it in the main text.
  • My sense is that they're on the way out, even in chemistry. They were pretty common ca. 100 years ago when citation styles were less formalized and the distinction between endnotes & bibliographies didn't formally exist. This being academia, they likely survived in some places, but even in Chemistry I have seen some Wiley journals that explicitly ban them.

    But if you need them, the only way to do this is to insert a placeholder citation and then manually edit in the end.
  • I very much appreciate everyone who took the time to read and especially thankful to those that responded! I appreciate that one can make arguments against using them (and these arguments have merit), but I was more looking for a way to accomplish what I want rather than getting told that what I want is wrong. I have been writing papers for a long time and, indeed, teach others how to do it. I can assure you that synthetic chemists still use them (I am pretty active in the field, run a research group).

    @aborel - I can see the point of "if it is worth saying, say it in the text", but I disagree with it in practice. My main goal in papers is to educate my readers. Endnotes like this are for points that are important to at least a subset of readers, but not part of the main paper flow (so help readability). For the readers, they are helpful (I would actually read them first - they are full of good "extra" stuff) and can provide guidance on the references ("For examples using Cu, see: XXXX; for examples using Pd, see: XXX"). I have come to realize that organic chemistry, in particular, does everything different than every other field!

    Thank you @adamsmith - this is how I had done it in the past, and it is not great because it makes them hard to check in the revising process when I am writing with students or collaborators.

    If anyone has any other ideas how to make that work in Zotero, I would greatly appreciate it! Endnote can do this (as well as clustering citations, which has decreased but also not disappeared) and it can be done using the built-in Word footnote/endnote system, so I am not without options. Just checking in on something that is important to my little subfield!
  • @damnation when I try this in Word, it just pastes the Note text into MS Word in the main text. I am using an ACS Style (Acc Chem Res) that is endnotes. This was the first thing I tried when I noticed the "note" in the Zotero plugin (and that motivated me to ask here - I was excited by the prospect of it working).
  • damnation suggested using a style designed for endnotes, like one of the Chicago Manual styles -- they don't look like ACS styles otherwise, though, so this likely doesn't work (they also don't let you re-refer to the same number multiple times.
  • Thank you @adamsmith! I understand now and agree that won't work.
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