Chicago 17th to 18th transition: citation of newspaper article has no date or page number

LWittern
I used to use Chicago 17th, subsequent title short, and I am dismayed to see that that's gone but after reading a few other questions here, I see that Chicago 18th, notes and biblio with classic variants is suggested. I am trying to use that but when I cite a newspaper or magazine article with the date and page number fields filled out in my library, no date or page number appears in the citation. What am I doing wrong? Surely a newspaper article must have a date.
  • dunning
    Chicago has always specified that the page range for newspaper articles is unnecessary: even the 16th edition styles do not show it.

    I am unable to recreate a newspaper citation in which the date does not appear. Could you please post a screenshot showing how your data is entered?

    Here is an example of a citation that works for me:

    https://www.zotero.org/groups/2205533/test_items_library/collections/5V67EPX3/items/UQALZLDW/
  • LWittern
    OK, egg on my face: I have just realized that the reason I didn't have a date or page is because I had cited that article many pages (and days) earlier. So, the full citation did appear with the date on that first reference. Sorry to have wasted your time on that.
    But that raises one more question: when the second citation appears, it lists the publication first and then the title of the article. Is that correct?
    Many thanks for your time and very quick answer!
  • dunning
    Unsigned magazine/newspaper articles, reference works, broadcasts, and web pages appear in the bibliography under the name of the parent publication, since there is no author.

    For example, CMOS 14.97 gives this note example:
    1. “In Texas, Ad Heats Up Race for Governor,” New York Times, July 30, 2002.
    In the bibliography, this becomes:
    New York Times. “In Texas, Ad Heats Up Race for Governor.” July 30, 2002.
    Unfortunately they do not give any examples of how to turn this into a shortened author–title note. I have assumed that the shortened note should begin with the publication name in place of the author, since that is where one will find it in the bibliography. This follows the model of the author–date citation in this situation (New York Times 2002).

    I have submitted a question to the CMOS website to verify this.
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