Changing "Original Date" Placement in Chicago 17

Ayerbender
I use either Chicago 17th edition full note with ibid., or just the shorter note version (footnotes). I want to change the citation so that instead of, say:

David Hume, “Of the Original Contract,” in Essays, Moral, Political, and Literary, ed. Eugene F. Miller (1748; repr., Cambridge: Liberty Fund, 1985), 470–71.

It says:

David Hume, “Of the Original Contract,” in Essays, Moral, Political, and Literary, ed. Eugene F. Miller (Cambridge: Liberty Fund, 1985 [1748]), 470–71.

("Reprint" is misleading because half the time I'm using translations...)

Any advice on modifying the .csl? Grok and ChatGPT are particularly unhelpful...
  • dunning
    I’m working on new Chicago styles that give the ‘reprint’ label in more limited circumstances:

    https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/7424
  • Ayerbender
    Amazing! Is it functional yet?

    Also, you write: "14.16. Reprint editions and modern editions: Allow use of the edition variable alongside original-date, original-publisher-place, and original-publisher to specify a phrase describing a republished work other than 'reprint'."

    Three other questions:

    (1) What do "edition," "original-publisher-place," and "original-publisher" do?
    (2) Which should I use for books which are not reprints (e.g. a translation of Descartes, or a modern edition of Hume)?
    (3) Will it return publications the way I'm looking for? I can't think of a time I would ever want "reprint"...

    Thank you!
  • dunning
    edited 5 days ago
    The new styles only describe a work as a reprint if there is an original publisher or place of publication, as in this example from CMOS 14.16:
    1. Ralph Ellison, Invisible Man (Random House, 1952; repr., Vintage Books, 1995), 242–43.
    Text such as 'facsimile reprint' in the edition field will appear in place of 'reprint'.

    The manual's examples of giving an original date without original publication details are for non-print media, e.g. art in CMOS 14.133 or a film in CMOS 14.165. On these models, I am currently rendering your example as:
    David Hume, “Of the Original Contract,” in Political Essays, ed. Knud Haakonssen (1748; Cambridge University Press, 1994), https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9781139170765.
  • Ayerbender
    Great, that's helpful! Is 18th ed. out yet?

    Out of curiosity, why would the parenthetical be:

    (1748; Cambridge University Press, 1994)

    Not:

    ([1748] Cambridge University Press, 1994)?

    The latter looks closer to author-date -- eg Hume ([1748] 1994)
  • dunning
    I expect that we’ll have the new styles out this month. The formatting is this way because of the expectation that you will likely want extra publication information, as in the example I provided.
  • Ayerbender
    great thanks!

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