No Updating of underlined footnotes MacWindows

notsoeazy · 2024-12-17T17:43:02+00:00

Working on a Mac, where I disabled the automatic updates in the document preferences to make a large word document with thousands of footnotes work. And it did work, thanks to the help I got here I made it work. So, now I wanted to update these citations via Windows, as recommended - but somehow the footnotes - which are underlined, signaling that they are not updated/linked yet - are still underlined, even after refreshing and enabling the automatic updates again. What am I doing wrong here? Thanks in advance!

damnation · 2024-12-17T18:20:46+00:00

How long did you let it run?

notsoeazy · 2024-12-18T14:34:48+00:00

hours, days. shortened the document today to 50 pages, it ran since morning, i think its done, last rows say only this (see bottom) for hours, but footnotes are still unerlined and bibliography doesnt update / include the underlined footnotes

(2)(+0005000): Waiting for database backup to complete

(3)(+0000011): Last backup of database 'zotero' was less than 1440 minutes ago -- skipping backup

(4)(+0000008): SELECT itemID FROM items JOIN deletedItems USING (itemID) WHERE libraryID=? AND dateDeleted <= DATE('NOW', '-30 DAYS') [1]

(3)(+1683444): Last backup of database 'zotero' was less than 1440 minutes ago -- skipping backup

(4)(+0005001): SELECT itemID FROM items JOIN deletedItems USING (itemID) WHERE libraryID=? AND dateDeleted <= DATE('NOW', '-30 DAYS') [1]

(3)(+2907095): Last backup of database 'zotero' was less than 1440 minutes ago -- skipping backup

(4)(+0004999): SELECT itemID FROM items JOIN deletedItems USING (itemID) WHERE libraryID=? AND dateDeleted <= DATE('NOW', '-30 DAYS') [1]

notsoeazy · 2024-12-18T16:19:01+00:00

Debug ID: D1074296323

adomasven · 2024-12-18T16:45:48+00:00

You have 490 citations in your document that you have edited manually, Zotero has prompted you about whether you want to keep those changes, and you said Yes. That is why Zotero is not updating them. This either occurred due to you modifying every inserted citation, or because of a bug. It would be great if you would elaborate on this.

If you want Zotero to update them, you will either have to manually press Add/Edit Citation on every one of them and discard your changes, or use the Switch to a Different Word Processor… option, but reimport it back into your document. Note that any changes you have made to your citations and told Zotero to keep will be discarded.

notsoeazy · 2024-12-18T17:55:02+00:00

Thanks for the quick reply.

Yes, I edited them manually, because the Chicago Manual for newspapers didnt show the date, which was in my case important - so I edited all of them manually.

when zotero first went through my big document, I indeed had to click several hundred times "yes please keep those changes." but after going through all of it, they were still underlined. in the short version of the document, Zotero actually didnt ask me to click yes or no anymore to discard or keep changes. probably, because he already did these changes in the basic document which I separated into chapters and maybe I cancelled the process to early? I would really like to keep my changes, but also update the citations. Is it somehow possible? it was no problem before when i still had the automated updates enabled

damnation · 2024-12-18T18:35:06+00:00

What is the change you need. I'd rather help you modify the citation style and you having updateable citations than this.

notsoeazy · 2024-12-19T07:03:48+00:00

Hmm, I see. Thanks! I need the newspapers with the newspaper name and the date: The Nigeria Standard, "Here Comes Festac Durbar," February 6, 1977 and if there is an author I want it Schröder in The New York Times, "XYZ Title," Januar 1, 2001.
The application of short titles should be possible, too.

damnation · 2024-12-19T09:14:53+00:00

Right. Which exact Chicago style are you using though? CMOS 17, full note?

This style will render a newspaper article like so:

New York Times, “Rooftop Greenhouse Will Boost City Farming,” April 6, 2012.

https://gist.github.com/POBrien333/3c4a418062d42938561a378548e0bee8/raw/e78a6fc0ff42af7f483dc153072a6cd3628c9362/chicago-fullnote-bibliography-notsoeazy.csl

notsoeazy · 2024-12-21T07:20:15+00:00

I use note.

Oh wow, thank you so much. Do I have to combine Chicago note now with this one?

damnation · 2024-12-21T08:05:48+00:00

No, this is Chicago with the change you requested. Install it. It'll show up as a new style that you can select. You can switch between this version and the original CMoS as you wish.

notsoeazy · 2024-12-21T09:58:19+00:00

Cool, thank you so much! Can I somehow change that into a (short) note Chicago?

damnation · 2024-12-21T10:33:57+00:00

Ah, you're using "note".... Would've been good to know before.

https://gist.github.com/POBrien333/3c4a418062d42938561a378548e0bee8/raw/5d0ab1b3dcea1103669bc013c8b85e65df703d60/chicago-note-bibliography-notsoeazy.csl

notsoeazy · 2024-12-21T11:49:53+00:00

yes, thats it! Thank you so much, incredible support here, really great!

notsoeazy · 2024-12-22T11:25:12+00:00

This unfortunately doesn't work.
The big doc he couldnt processes and everything crashed. Expected.
I divided the big doc in chapters.
I enabled the new citation style, enabled automatic citation updates, refreshed, and then changed the word processor, and refreshed again. But the only outcome is footnotes looking like this:

ITEM CSL_CITATION {"citationID":"2L67bwTn","properties":{"formattedCitation":"Hall, \\uc0\\u8220{}Encoding and Decoding in the Television Discourse.\\uc0\\u8221{}","plainCitation":"Hall, “Encoding and Decoding in the Television Discourse.”","dontUpdate":true,"noteIndex":65},"citationItems":[{"id":2991,"uris":["http://zotero.org/users/6908320/items/SVM2BAV6"],"itemData":{"id":2991,"type":"chapter","container-title":"Essential Essays, Volume 1","ISBN":"978-1-4780-0241-3","note":"DOI: 10.1515/9781478002413-014","page":"257-276","publisher":"Duke University Press","source":"DOI.org (Crossref)","title":"Encoding and Decoding in the Television Discourse","URL":"https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9781478002413-014/html","author":[{"family":"Hall","given":"Stuart"}],"editor":[{"family":"Morley","given":"David"}],"accessed":{"date-parts":[["2023",2,26]]},"issued":{"date-parts":[["2020"]],"season":"1978"}}}],"schema":"https://github.com/citation-style-language/schema/raw/master/csl-citation.json"} 258.

The Debug Submit is delaying 240000 ms at this moment.

damnation · 2024-12-22T12:44:59+00:00

https://www.zotero.org/support/kb/word_field_codes
is what you're seeing, I'd assume.

damnation · 2024-12-22T12:45:19+00:00

https://www.zotero.org/support/kb/word_field_codes
is what you're seeing, I'd assume.

notsoeazy · 2024-12-22T12:53:06+00:00

I would guess no, the field mentioned there in the options of word is not toggled and if I toggle it looks different. To me, it looks like zotero didnt finish processing

notsoeazy · 2024-12-22T12:55:09+00:00

https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u6908320/f9mb5fc41lxpiyti0m4t.png

notsoeazy · 2024-12-22T12:56:51+00:00

After checking " Show field codes instead of their values":

https://s3.amazonaws.com/zotero.org/images/forums/u6908320/3v3kurby9n63r10h469r.png

notsoeazy · 2024-12-22T12:57:14+00:00

Alt F9 doesnt change anything.