Removing 3-em dashes from the subsequent author names

rhwork
Hello,

I am currently using the Chicago Style 17th edition for my citations. My publisher has requested that I replace the 3-em dashes, which typically appear in the bibliography for entries by the same author or authors of multiple works, with the actual names of the author(s) or editor(s). I attempted to edit this by removing the "subsequent-author-substitute" element, but I couldn't locate it in my code in the first place. Additionally, I am unable to upload my citation code here. What should I do?

Thank you.
  • adamsmith
    The element is here: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/chicago-fullnote-bibliography.csl#L1438 (and correspondingly in the same line for other Chicago styles)
    General instructions on https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles/style_editing_step-by-step

    To share full style code, paste it to a code sharing site like pastebin.com and link to from here. You can share small snippets here between <code> </code> HTML snippets
  • rhwork
    Thank you. I have pasted it in this link:

    https://pastebin.com/jwT6fp4M

    I appreciate your help.
  • adamsmith
    subsequent-author-substitute="———" is in line 1387
  • rhwork
    Do do I just remove this line only?

    What if I want to remove the “ibid” as well?

    Thank you.
  • adamsmith
    Not the line, no, that's necessary -- you remove that specific string.

    If you don't want ibid, that's more complex to edit, but there are all sorts of Chicago styles without ibid you can use.
  • rhwork
    Thank you so much for your help. To be honest, I am not sure where to find this line in the visual CSL editor or what you mean by "remove specific string". Attached is an image of what I see. Do you think you can pin point what I need to do to remove the 3-em dashes from the subsequent author names?

    Thank you

  • notanotter
    edited March 21, 2024
    Hi,

    Not sure if this has been resolved yet, but I had the exact same problem and stumbled upon this thread so I'll post my solution anyway :)

    I was not able to find the subsequent author substitute in the visual csl editor, but you can do this instead:

    - Go to the 'Code editor' tab in the csl editor

    - Scroll right to the bottom of the csl code in the bottom window

    - Line 650 contains the opening tag for the bibliography formatting; it should look like this: <bibliography hanging-indent="true" et-al-min="11" et-al-use-first="7" subsequent-author-substitute="———" entry-spacing="0">

    - Delete the entire subsequent author tag (i.e., subsequent-author-substitute="———") - I believe this is what adamsmith was getting at

    - Line 650 should now look like this: <bibliography hanging-indent="true" et-al-min="11" et-al-use-first="7" entry-spacing="0">

    Then just go back to the 'Visual editor' tab, use the 'Style' drop-down in the top left to save the modified csl and import it into Zotero.


  • adamsmith
    We now also have the two main Chicago variants -- full note and author-date -- available without em-dash:
    https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=id:chicago-fullnote-bibliography-no-em-dash
    https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=id:chicago-author-date-no-em-dash

    The full note bibliography could be copied into a document using any other of the other Chicago note versions. That is, create a copy of your document, insert the bibliography using Chicago full note, then copy & paste that document into your existing document using, say, Chicago (note).
  • Figgie10
    @adamsmith

    Sending a big, big thank you for creating the bibliography styles without the em dashes. This is such a huge service to the community. I cannot tell you how much time you have saved us not having to replace the em dashes in a large book bibliography before submission to a publisher. Wonderful!

    Many, many thanks!

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