CMS17 with Japanese/Chinese authors: comma or no comma?
Two related questions about commas with Japanese/Chinese author names in CMS17 author-date style:
1. "Language" field
With Language set to "ja-JP":
Fujihara Tatsushi. 2018. Kyūshoku no rekishi. Tokyo: Iwanami Shoten.
Set to "Japanese":
Fujihara, Tatsushi. 2018. Kyūshoku no rekishi. Tokyo: Iwanami Shoten.
The sentence case is preserved, but a comma is inserted between the surname (Fujihara) and personal name (Tatsushi).
Does this mean Zotero doesn't recognize "Japanese," or that there is some difference between Japanese and ja-JP?
2. I know the comma between surname and personal name is not to be used when citing Chinese and Japanese authors writing in their own languages, as above. And while this is a standard feature of journal stylesheets using CMS, I can't find the specific citation in CMS itself.
"8.16: Japanese names" is for use in-text.
"16.81: Indexing Japanese names" is for indexes.
The quick guide includes no relevant examples.
This is important because I'm working with a production team who claims Zotero has got this wrong and won't allow me to remove the comma in authors' names.
What am I missing?
1. "Language" field
With Language set to "ja-JP":
Fujihara Tatsushi. 2018. Kyūshoku no rekishi. Tokyo: Iwanami Shoten.
Set to "Japanese":
Fujihara, Tatsushi. 2018. Kyūshoku no rekishi. Tokyo: Iwanami Shoten.
The sentence case is preserved, but a comma is inserted between the surname (Fujihara) and personal name (Tatsushi).
Does this mean Zotero doesn't recognize "Japanese," or that there is some difference between Japanese and ja-JP?
2. I know the comma between surname and personal name is not to be used when citing Chinese and Japanese authors writing in their own languages, as above. And while this is a standard feature of journal stylesheets using CMS, I can't find the specific citation in CMS itself.
"8.16: Japanese names" is for use in-text.
"16.81: Indexing Japanese names" is for indexes.
The quick guide includes no relevant examples.
This is important because I'm working with a production team who claims Zotero has got this wrong and won't allow me to remove the comma in authors' names.
What am I missing?
14.72 was the missing piece of that puzzle for me.
(Is there a way to batch find-replace "Japanese" with "ja-JP" in the Language field?)
I tested these styles:
Taylor & Francis - Chicago Manual of Style (author-date)
Chicago Manual of Style 17th edition (author-date)
Chicago Manual of Style 16th edition (author-date)
All of them correctly omit the comma for author names coded as ja-JP.
The journal claims to use:
https://endnote.com/style_download/tf-standard-chicago-author-date/
https://files.taylorandfrancis.com/tf_ChicagoAD.pdf
However, the journal production team at T&F also says that the comma is required by the journal style.
I think this is probably just a case of misunderstanding (some past articles in the journal use the comma, some don't), but it seemed worth mentioning in case there's something else going on that I don't fully understand.
Frank may be correct, as evidenced by style guides prepared by and for Asianists:
https://wiki.ubc.ca/images/9/9f/Japanese_CMS.pdf https://uhpress.hawaii.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/USJWJ-Style-Sheet_2019.pdf There is clearly disagreement, though, and it may be that this is a difference between Note and Author-Date.
Does anyone have a contact at CMS they could ask?
No response, and the question has not been published.