copy and paste issue - zotero tag? is gone.

thanatophobic
Sir:
I am troubleshooting following;
On the following document
------Start document
After cut and paste (1), I think (2) that whatever (3)

ref
(1) Smith, 2000 JournalA #:###
(2) Shepard, 1900 JournalB #:###
(3) Poodle, JournalC #:###
------End document

Copy "I think (2)" and paste into top of the sentence, so that I am expecting

I think (2) After cut and paste (1) I think (2) that whatever (3)

and that after "refresh"

I think (1) After cut and paste (2) I think (1) that whatever (3)

ref
(1) Shepard...
(2) Smith...
(3) Poodle...

But what I get is

I think (2) After cut and paste (1), I think (2) that whatever (3)

ref
(1) Smith...
(2) Shepard...
(3) Poodle...

***
If I cut and paste, It looks that zotero tag(?) behaves right.

I am using libreoffice 7.0.3.3, zotero 5.0.93 on Linux Debian testing. I have tested two different systems. (Both Debian)

I am not sure whether this is zotero or libreoffice issue. I appreciate if anybody direct me to next step.

regards
  • adamsmith
    That sounds wrong. What happens if you switch to a different citation styles and back?
  • thanatophobic
    Sir:

    Thank you for your reply. If I change the style to author-date one;

    I think (2) After cut and paste (Smith 2000), I think (Shepard 1900) that whatever (Poodle..) ...

    Poodle...
    Shepard...
    Smith...

    and when the style is back to original one;

    I think (2) After cut and paste (1), I think (2) that whatever (3)

    (1) Smith...
    (2) Shepard...
    (3) Poodle...

    ***
    I do not think it helped.

    regards
  • adamsmith
    That sounds like the problem is specifically with the (2) reference -- likely it has been modified manually and doesn't update automatically anymore. Have you tried editing it with Zotero?
  • thanatophobic
    Sir:

    Thank you for your reply.

    I am not sure if I understood correct.
    I have not edited the citation- Shepard one- manually in zotero.

    If I edit (add/edit citation by zotero manually) on (2), at the top of the sentence after copy/paste, things go well. But in my real life, this may not be a realistic solution.

    regards
  • adamsmith
    Are you saying you can make the above happen every time in a new document?
  • thanatophobic
    Sir:

    Short answer is "Yes"

    Long answer is:
    This situation happened with my document, (100 or more pages, with 200+/- refs), so I trimmed as much as possible. So "Yes".

    For the time being, I found a workaround.
    Copy onto new clean document, part by part. It works.

    regards
  • adamsmith
    Short answer is "Yes"

    Long answer is:
    This situation happened with my document, (100 or more pages, with 200+/- refs), so I trimmed as much as possible. So "Yes".
    Those are two substantially different things: If this happens with every document, this is a general Zotero issue (which I don't think is the case). If it happens with a paired down version of your document, it's an issue with that document, likely a specific citation therein.
  • thanatophobic
    Sir:
    Thank you for your reply.

    It happens on a new document with different set-up (Debain, testing).

    regards

    +++(before copy/paste start)
    Dog is good (1) Fish is fishy (2) Whale is not a fish (3)

    1. Shepard, S. Dog is nice. Dog Journal. 2001;1:2–3.
    2. Tuna, T. Fish is fishy. Fish Journal. 2002;2:3–4.
    3. Whale is not fish. Mammals. 2005;3:4–5.
    +++(end)

    +++(after copy/paste start)
    Fish is fishy (2)
    Dog is good (1) Fish is fishy (2) Whale is not a fish (3)

    1. Shepard, S. Dog is nice. Dog Journal. 2001;1:2–3.
    2. Tuna, T. Fish is fishy. Fish Journal. 2002;2:3–4.
    3. Whale is not fish. Mammals. 2005;3:4–5.
    +++(end)
  • adamsmith
    How are you running/installing Zotero? Straight from the tarball or are you using a Snap or deb?
  • adamsmith
    Also, which citation style -- there are numeric citation styles that number alphabetically instead of sequentially, which your example would be.
  • thanatophobic
    Sir:
    Thank you for your post.

    I download zotero from zotero.org. (Debian has only old one. Debian one was purged.)

    Vancouver style is used.

    regards
  • adamsmith
    I'm so sorry, I actually misread the original post and then asked the wrong questions.

    This is a known issue and it's not fixable by Zotero:
    LibreOffice removes any field information when you copy & paste reference marks, the structure in which Zotero stores citation information, so they indeed get completely disconnected on copy&paste and since this is general LibreOffice behavior, there's nothing Zotero can do to avoid it.

    Cut&paste works and I think you can work around this by copying to a different document and then back.
  • thanatophobic
    Sir:

    Thank you for your reply.

    I guess, I will stop this troubleshooting process.

    Apologies for my insufficient search for known issues.

    regards

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