copy and paste issue - zotero tag? is gone.

thanatophobic

Sir:
I am troubleshooting following;
On the following document
------Start document
After cut and paste (1), I think (2) that whatever (3)

ref
(1) Smith, 2000 JournalA #:###
(2) Shepard, 1900 JournalB #:###
(3) Poodle, JournalC #:###
------End document

Copy "I think (2)" and paste into top of the sentence, so that I am expecting

I think (2) After cut and paste (1) I think (2) that whatever (3)

and that after "refresh"

I think (1) After cut and paste (2) I think (1) that whatever (3)

ref
(1) Shepard...
(2) Smith...
(3) Poodle...

But what I get is

I think (2) After cut and paste (1), I think (2) that whatever (3)

ref
(1) Smith...
(2) Shepard...
(3) Poodle...

***
If I cut and paste, It looks that zotero tag(?) behaves right.

I am using libreoffice 7.0.3.3, zotero 5.0.93 on Linux Debian testing. I have tested two different systems. (Both Debian)

I am not sure whether this is zotero or libreoffice issue. I appreciate if anybody direct me to next step.

regards

adamsmith

That sounds wrong. What happens if you switch to a different citation styles and back?

thanatophobic

Sir:

Thank you for your reply. If I change the style to author-date one;

I think (2) After cut and paste (Smith 2000), I think (Shepard 1900) that whatever (Poodle..) ...

Poodle...
Shepard...
Smith...

and when the style is back to original one;

I think (2) After cut and paste (1), I think (2) that whatever (3)

(1) Smith...
(2) Shepard...
(3) Poodle...

***
I do not think it helped.

regards

adamsmith

That sounds like the problem is specifically with the (2) reference -- likely it has been modified manually and doesn't update automatically anymore. Have you tried editing it with Zotero?

thanatophobic

Sir:

Thank you for your reply.

I am not sure if I understood correct.
I have not edited the citation- Shepard one- manually in zotero.

If I edit (add/edit citation by zotero manually) on (2), at the top of the sentence after copy/paste, things go well. But in my real life, this may not be a realistic solution.

regards

adamsmith

Are you saying you can make the above happen every time in a new document?

thanatophobic

Sir:

Short answer is "Yes"

Long answer is:
This situation happened with my document, (100 or more pages, with 200+/- refs), so I trimmed as much as possible. So "Yes".

For the time being, I found a workaround.
Copy onto new clean document, part by part. It works.

regards

adamsmith

Short answer is "Yes"

Long answer is:
This situation happened with my document, (100 or more pages, with 200+/- refs), so I trimmed as much as possible. So "Yes".

Those are two substantially different things: If this happens with every document, this is a general Zotero issue (which I don't think is the case). If it happens with a paired down version of your document, it's an issue with that document, likely a specific citation therein.

thanatophobic

Sir:
Thank you for your reply.

It happens on a new document with different set-up (Debain, testing).

regards

+++(before copy/paste start)
Dog is good (1) Fish is fishy (2) Whale is not a fish (3)

1. Shepard, S. Dog is nice. Dog Journal. 2001;1:2–3.
2. Tuna, T. Fish is fishy. Fish Journal. 2002;2:3–4.
3. Whale is not fish. Mammals. 2005;3:4–5.
+++(end)

+++(after copy/paste start)
Fish is fishy (2)
Dog is good (1) Fish is fishy (2) Whale is not a fish (3)

1. Shepard, S. Dog is nice. Dog Journal. 2001;1:2–3.
2. Tuna, T. Fish is fishy. Fish Journal. 2002;2:3–4.
3. Whale is not fish. Mammals. 2005;3:4–5.
+++(end)

adamsmith

How are you running/installing Zotero? Straight from the tarball or are you using a Snap or deb?

adamsmith

Also, which citation style -- there are numeric citation styles that number alphabetically instead of sequentially, which your example would be.

thanatophobic

Sir:
Thank you for your post.

I download zotero from zotero.org. (Debian has only old one. Debian one was purged.)

Vancouver style is used.

regards

adamsmith

I'm so sorry, I actually misread the original post and then asked the wrong questions.

This is a known issue and it's not fixable by Zotero:
LibreOffice removes any field information when you copy & paste reference marks, the structure in which Zotero stores citation information, so they indeed get completely disconnected on copy&paste and since this is general LibreOffice behavior, there's nothing Zotero can do to avoid it.

Cut&paste works and I think you can work around this by copying to a different document and then back.

thanatophobic

Sir:

Thank you for your reply.

I guess, I will stop this troubleshooting process.

Apologies for my insufficient search for known issues.

regards