Hello,

I have found difficulties to deal with disambiguation. I would appreciate some help.

The main problems is that in situation 1, the current CSL style (ABNT) is applying disambiguation. And it isn't necessary because the authors works are from different year.

Current style=> (Scott, J., 2010; Scott, P., 2011).
What I need=> (Scott, 2010; Scott, 2011).

So, the disambiguation should be applied just in situation in which the different authors wrote in the same year (Scott, J., 2010; Scott, P., 2010).

The code I am dealing with is that:

<citation et-al-min="3" et-al-use-first="1" et-al-subsequent-min="3" et-al-subsequent-use-first="1"
disambiguate-add-year-suffix="true" disambiguate-add-names="true" disambiguate-add-givenname="true"
collapse="year">

Thanks,
Cadu

Hello,

I still have found difficulties to deal with disambiguation. I would appreciate some help.

I have two rules simultaneously. Consider three texts as exemple:

Text 1 / Almeida, Jose / 2007
Text 2 / Almeida, Maria / 2008
Text 3 / Almeida, Joao / 2008

a.1) In the mix (Text 1 + Text 2) or (Text 1 + Text 3), where dates are different, the rule is:
(ALMEIDA, 2007; ALMEIDA, 2008)

a.2) In the mix (Texto 2 + Texto 3), where the dates are same, the rule is:
(ALMEIDA, M., 2008; ALMEIDA, J., 2008)

How to implement the two rules together in the same style?

Thanks,
Cadu

Hi,

I could implement a.1 situation, but when implementing a.2 (dates are the same), the output is showing an error: (ALMEIDA, 2008, [CSL STYLE ERROR: reference with no printed form.]).

What could be happening?

Thanks, Cadu

Hi,

Many thanks for your availability on helping!!!

Style + RDF are hoested in:

http://www.4shared.com/zip/C_BlQYiz/Zotero_styleRDF.html

With the data and style posted by cadudesun and the latest processor version, I don't get the empty cite error. It was either related to the plain-text cruft in the style (?), or changes since the 3.0.3 release have squashed whatever bug was causing that error.

The test did turn up a small glitch, in that when entering Text 2 followed by Text 3 in a separate cite, the Text 2 cite did not update properly. I've fixed that in the processor, and released a new 1.0.296 version that incorporates the fix. The revised processor should appear in the Zotero dev XPI in the next few days.

Yep. I've checked that with both MLZ and the tip of the 3.0 branch, and it renders correctly in both.

On the citation tag of the style, you should find an attribute collapse="year" or collapse="year-suffix". Remove it, and all citations will be listed fully, even when there are common authors.

Thanks for answering!

The ABNT style (Brazil) considers the following:

a) Same author, different year (J. Almeida) => (Almeida, 2007, 2008)

b) Different author, same year (J. and M. Almeida) => (Almeida, J., 2008; Almeida, M., 2008).

c) Different author, different year (J. and M. Almeida) => (Almeida, 2007; Almeida, 2008). It is because in "references" the different authors could be identified by the different year, without the need of using other name's part (face "b"). So this I can't implement in CSL style...

Anyway, the result I could achieve is great!

Best,
Cadu

After having work with CSL style, I would say in relation with ABNT (the Brazilian Association of Technical Standards - http://www.abnt.org.br/):

- Most of the ABNT rules could be applied through CSL code. Great!

- Five points couldn't be applied. I am resuming former conversation I had with others in this forum - thanks everybody for support! The mentioned texts (to exemplify) are available at http://www.4shared.com/zip/ZUQLFoAw/Zotero_styleRDF2.html.

1) The dash in page range (p. 1-3) is small (because of characters available, it is impossible to represent both dashes in this forum form, but the discussion is here=> http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/22167/how-to-change-the-page-dash-in-csl-code/#Item_9)

2) In titles field (when title has subtitle), just the text before the : points have "bold". (the discussion is here=> http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/22147/is-it-possible-to-bold-just-part-of-the-content-of-an-title-field/#Item_10).

3) When citing different authors, different year.
Text 1 - Jose Almeida (2007)
Text 2 - Maria Almeida (2008)
Considering ABNT rules, the different authors could be identified by the different year, without the need of using other name's part=> (Almeida, 2007; Almeida, 2008). The current Zotero output is as following=> (Almeida, J., 2007; Almeida, M., 2008).

4) When citing different author, same year, but with co-authors together. =>
Text 1 - Jose Almeida (2008)
Text 4 - Pedro Almeida e Carlos Silva (2008)
Considering ABNT rules, the different authors could be identified by the co-authorship, without the need of using other name's part=> (Almeida, 2008; Almeida; Silva, 2008). The current Zotero output is as following=> (Almeida, J., 2008; Almeida, P.; Silva, 2008).

5) When citing, disambiguation is applied just to the first name. In the former examples I deal with short names. But considering that in Portuguese the names are common length, one example could be=> Luiz Antonio Menezes da Fonseca. So, the Zotero’s CSL citing is (Fonseca, L. A. M. DA). To ABNT, just the first name should be showed (Fonseca, L.). In the case of difference authors with last name and first part of the name with same letter (Lucas Anselmo Fonseca), it should be write as following (Fonseca, Luiz; Fonseca, Lucas).

I hope someday it could be incorporate to CSL possibilities, once it refers to the rules all Brazilian academics need to write. But as I mentioned before, even with this lacks, Zotero is amazing and very impressive in front of other bibliographical software I had used before!!! And I am available to deal these matters anytime…

Best,
Cadu

5) could one day be handled with a language hint on the name field. This is not possible currently, but language hints are available in an experimental version of Zotero, and are used there in this way (to control the specifics of name formatting, for Vietnamese names). So the prospects for eventually providing proper support for names in your language domain are good.

As adamsmith indicates, 3) should be correctly handled for ABNT under current Zotero if the "by-cite" disambiguation rule is used.

AFAIK you can't implement the disambiguation without "a" - i.e. this would always be 1980a and 1980b.
Is the author only substituted by ______ when it's in the same year? That can also not be done. If the same author is always substituted, look at subsequent-author-substitute
http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#reference-grouping

Dear Adam and Carlos,

tks for the comments.

1)disambiguation: perhaps we need to fiddle with the "disambiguation" function, to include the option of ignoring the "a" in "2010a". Where can I find source code for that function? Would this be a taks for Zotero´s core developers? Would it be extremelly difficult (our programing resources are very limited)?

2) subsequent-author-substitute : no, it is not related to the date. I think your sugestion will work fine. (my only question is if it will show "----" (as in the documentation) or "_____" (which the style demands).

3) Cadu, tks for the info, we will review it and follow up.

4) As a general comment, ABNT is a general rule that allow for a few options in some places (like AUTHOR vs. Author). Generally the versions of ABNT by each university are almost identical. When a someone adapts the zotero-abnt style for their university, they are most often just implementing issues that apply to all ABNT. The problem was that the "Oficial ANBT" did not implement that rule yet. Thus, it is very usefull for us to do some merging of the codes every now and then.

regards
Lucas Mation (IPEA)

Dear AdamSmith,

tks for the comments. I just checked and ABNT will in fact accept just the regular disambiguation (see example bellow). So it seems that it will be simple to implement.

Regards
Lucas

... (SILVA, 2013a) ...
... (SILVA, 2013b) ...
... (SILVA, 2013c) ...

[...]

SILVA... 2013a.
______. ... 2013b.
______. ... 2013c.

If I understand the question correctly, that is now the default method of disambiguation in CSL -- names are expanded only if necessary to distinguish two or more otherwise-identical cites. A further cite with a matching author but a different year would not be ambiguous, so the author name would not be expanded.

(The issue with truncation of a long series of "leading-name" initials mentioned above has not been addressed.)