Endnote XML export/import?
As part of my tests as to whether to use Zotero 3, I am testing its ability to import and export into other software (Bookends, Papers2, etc.). I have run into a problem.
When exporting out of Zotero using RIS, then importing into Bookends, the metadata transfers pretty well (and can be fine tuned within Bookends); however, attachments do not come through. It seems that RIS is not a strong format for such a use. The Bookends developer, however, recommended using Endnote XML, which contains no ambiguity, and thus allows for attachments to carry over. It seems that Endnote XML is an industry standard, of sorts (I see it supported in the import and export of many pieces of software, such as Bookends, Papers2, etc.).
May I enquire as to why Endnote XML is not supported, and whether there are any plans to do so? Many thanks.
When exporting out of Zotero using RIS, then importing into Bookends, the metadata transfers pretty well (and can be fine tuned within Bookends); however, attachments do not come through. It seems that RIS is not a strong format for such a use. The Bookends developer, however, recommended using Endnote XML, which contains no ambiguity, and thus allows for attachments to carry over. It seems that Endnote XML is an industry standard, of sorts (I see it supported in the import and export of many pieces of software, such as Bookends, Papers2, etc.).
May I enquire as to why Endnote XML is not supported, and whether there are any plans to do so? Many thanks.
http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/8614/import-from-zotero-to-endnote-with-pdf-attachments/#Item_9
http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/21931/import-bookends-to-zotero/#Item_4
Endnote claims they share them freely:
http://blogs.plos.org/mfenner/2010/08/03/endnote_interview_with_jason_rollins/
bibutils has a conversion tool that we could look at:
http://sourceforge.net/p/bibutils/home/endx2xml/
(and that could be used as an intermediary in the meantime, since Zotero supports MODS).
Anyone has any thought on where/how to find the Endnote XML specs?
Edit: that leads to a 404, sorry about that. Working links can be found at http://archive.endnote.com/support/ensupport.asp, see "EndNote / EndNote Web XML DTD".
which I had also found linked to from Martin Fenner's blog, is a 404...
edit: got it, thanks.
"The EN XML schema has been stable for years (since EN 8), at least there have been no changes that affect Bookends export/import. RIS actually has changed more. Also, with XML text style info is transferred, which is not possible (ever) with RIS, which is plain text.
Supporting EN XML takes some work initially, but once done there isn't much maintenance."
I hope that is of help.
Unlike what you were told, we found it quite simple to implement an EN XML export option. As I remember it was easier to do than the tagged formats (ris, enw).
That said, it seems like it's fine with other ref managers, so doing this in Zotero should be safe (although I did note that Endnote XML is always referred to in their documentation as "Endnote's proprietary XML format"...)
http://help.thomson.com/default.asp?portalid=TSCINT&article=122577
RE formatting, afaict we might be able to transfer bold, italics, and maybe small caps. I'll have to see what EndNote can actually support. Doesn't look like super/subscripts are supported. This is a still a nice improvement.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30366587/error.png
Can anyone (adamsmith perhaps?) let me know if this is problem on Zotero's end, something on Endnote's end, if it's something that's just happening to me, or if it's just because I'm doing something wrong?
thanks,
Carl
Zotero is able to import attachments from Endnote and from roundtrip Zotero import/Export via Endnote XML.
You could try exporting with the file box unchecked - Zotero then exports absolute links, maybe Endnote does better with that.
I went so far as to export what I needed in RDF, start a whole new Zotero database *inside* the Endnote library's data folder and export-import in XML from that, but of course the links remained absolute to that location and with Endnote's refusal to relativise the links manually it's stuck where it is.
The goal was a regular Endnote library (complete with PDFs) of a large publications audit we did, to send to my boss for her to deal with and store etc where she needs it. But it looks like this is still not possible with the current Endnote XML implementation in Zotero given that Endnote sucks so very very much.
Has anyone else had luck with this sort of thing? Does Endnote-to-Endnote XML transfer even work properly? I'd try myself but I'm sick of the sight of it.
Procedure, for the record:
1) I did a relative ('include files' box checked) Endnote XML export from Zotero.
2) In the XML file, replaced all "files/" mentions with "internal-pdf://files/" mentions.
3) Imported this XML into Endnote. This produced an Endnote library that expected to see the relative linked attachments (the paths after the "internal-pdf://files/" mentions) inside a 'PDF' folder inside the Endnote library's data folder. Therefore...
4) Make a 'PDF' folder inside the Endnote library's data folder, and copy the export file's 'files' folder into that folder.
The result looks like what I was after: an Endnote library + data folder that can be copied about at will.
Thanks again for the help.
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