Upgrade StorageStyle Request: [Cite Them Right-Harvard]
Hi,
Thanks for all your work on this great software.
The university I work for has decided to use the Harvard style set out in a book called Cite Them Right. (Of course it's a bit annoying that another new style is created...) The university have had a go at creating an Endnote style (which didn't appear to be correct to me, and doesn't function in Zotero) but there isn't a .csl file, which is difficult!
The most similar style I've found is the Open University Harvard Reference style.
I've managed to change it a little so it functions to some extent, but I'm getting stuck...
Some differences I've noticed and have managed to change:
[online] should be [Online]
Should use et al. in citations if there are 3 or more authors.
Should give all authors in bibliography.
Title (if not in journal) should be in italics.
In a journal title should be in 'title' and the journal title in italics.
Don't think it specifies an order for multiple citations-I've put a sort in.
Should read 'Available at: ' not 'Available from:'
Ones I'm struggling with (may be others...):
Should use p. and pp. in citations.
Should say 'no date' rather than n.d.
Other parts of the style (were OK):
No initials in citations.
Initials in bibliography.
(2010a) type disambiguation.
I'm not a csl expert, and would be very grateful of any help, or ideally for an expert to produce the style. There may well be other changes needed, but it would then work for journal articles, books and web pages at least.
The ref for the book is:
Pears, R. and Shields, G. (2010) Cite them right: the essential referencing guide, 8th ed. Basingstoke, Palgrave Macmillan.
Thanks in advance for any help, I hope I've supplied enough info for a start. I can send my file if that's helpful if you tell me how.
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Thanks for all your work on this great software.
The university I work for has decided to use the Harvard style set out in a book called Cite Them Right. (Of course it's a bit annoying that another new style is created...) The university have had a go at creating an Endnote style (which didn't appear to be correct to me, and doesn't function in Zotero) but there isn't a .csl file, which is difficult!
The most similar style I've found is the Open University Harvard Reference style.
I've managed to change it a little so it functions to some extent, but I'm getting stuck...
Some differences I've noticed and have managed to change:
[online] should be [Online]
Should use et al. in citations if there are 3 or more authors.
Should give all authors in bibliography.
Title (if not in journal) should be in italics.
In a journal title should be in 'title' and the journal title in italics.
Don't think it specifies an order for multiple citations-I've put a sort in.
Should read 'Available at: ' not 'Available from:'
Ones I'm struggling with (may be others...):
Should use p. and pp. in citations.
Should say 'no date' rather than n.d.
Other parts of the style (were OK):
No initials in citations.
Initials in bibliography.
(2010a) type disambiguation.
I'm not a csl expert, and would be very grateful of any help, or ideally for an expert to produce the style. There may well be other changes needed, but it would then work for journal articles, books and web pages at least.
The ref for the book is:
Pears, R. and Shields, G. (2010) Cite them right: the essential referencing guide, 8th ed. Basingstoke, Palgrave Macmillan.
Thanks in advance for any help, I hope I've supplied enough info for a start. I can send my file if that's helpful if you tell me how.
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Anyway, this isn't enough for me to go by, I would need, at a minimum, examples for everything you mention.
Although there is a fair section on plagiarism issues, I couldn't figure out the purpose of this book. I can't figure out why any university would choose to require its students to use a special flavor of a standard that violates the standard's guidelines. Although it seems that the authors see value in doing all the reference work by hand; there is a plug-in available that works with some versions of Word for Windows.
The book has its own webpage:
http://www.citethemright.co.uk/
However, it merely consists of a few promotional pages. Only one of the pages provides an style example.
Moravcsik, A. (1998) [i]The Choice for Europe: Social Purpose and State Power from Messina to Maastricht, Cornell studies in political economy[/i]. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.
According to the book linked to above (9th edition, 2013, p. 16) the series should be added in brackets after the publisher. Hence:
Moravcsik, A. (1998) [i]The Choice for Europe: Social Purpose and State Power from Messina to Maastricht[/i]. Ithaca: Cornell University Press (Cornell studies in political economy).
If applicable, the volume number would be added after a simple coma. Hence - if the above book had volume number 3 within the series - the correct citation would become:
Moravcsik, A. (1998) [i]The Choice for Europe: Social Purpose and State Power from Messina to Maastricht[/i]. Ithaca: Cornell University Press (Cornell studies in political economy, 3).
Maybe someone has time to fix this?
I'd rather they didn't include series info at all - who actually cares...
Off-topic: I am actually quite unsure how to deal with series info myself in my PhD. I cannot find any good advice anywhere. For some time I have simply deleted the information from Zotero, so that half of my library probably misses series information now. I guess for reasons of consistency and for agreeing with your argument (who cares!?) I will delete the series info in the other half of my library as well. Still, if somebody wants to include this information and does use "Cite Them Right", I guess it makes sense to - sooner or later - update this point.
Sorry for this extensive old-year message. And now HAPPY NEW YEAR, Mr Smith! :)
Styles also update automatically within 24hs for Zotero 4.0+
In an existing document, you may have to switch to a different style and back for the changes to take effect once the style is updated.
Any further problems please let us know & thanks for reporting
I'd like to thank you very much for working on this style, sorry it's taken so long to reply. There may be things that it doesn't do correctly still. I haven't tried it out that much yet. Some elements of the style aren't that clearly defined in the book, eg capitalisation of source titles isn't stated in writing-the book mainly works by examples not rules, it appears to say that if a web page has no date then the url should be used instead of the author, whether disambiguation is done alphabetically or based on citation order, the 9th edition appears to format editors names differently than all authors (full firstname and surname) etc, it now includes Downloaded: instead of Accessed: if it's onto the student's edevice (whatever that means), urls aren't given for journal articles because they often didn't work anyway outside of that login session, and there are lots of other descriptive words like illus. fig. diag etc or [Photograph] added for some types that can't be easily mapped from the available categories in referencing software as far as I can see... but this looks like a very helpful start.
To reply to some of the questions/points:
This style is becoming more popular in the UK, I think mainly because universities don't have to write descriptions and guidance themselves. A few have tried (not completely successfully) to make style files for other referencing software, but I haven't found any for Zotero. The book seems to favour manual referencing rather than software (I can't possibly think why that could be... ;-) ). There is now a subscription webpage that organisations can sign up to so students might not have to all individually buy the book, at least to see examples of format for a good selection of citation types.
I haven't found other styles with detailed free online descriptions for diverse types of citation-can anyone suggest where there might be some?
Thanks again. Being able to use software without having to adapt styles or do too much manual editing will be a big help.
and MHRA, which has both a notes and an author-date version:
http://www.mhra.org.uk/Publications/Books/StyleGuide/index.html
(the book is for sale, but also free to download as a PDF).
There are also many available online sources that describe the most widely used author date style - the APA Manual - as well as the most widely used note style - the Chicago Manual of Style. The OWL at Purdue is probably the best known source: https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/section/2/
Both of these styles have the major advantage of actually being used in academic journals and books, so if you're going to teach students a form of referencing, you'd want to go with either of those.
As for the problems you identify, I'd need the exact sample citations from the book to get them right.
Zotero prints "ed.", but http://www.citethemrightonline.com/Basics/elements-that-you-may-need-to-include-in-your-references (paywall) calls for
Styles also update automatically within 24hs for Zotero 4.0+
In an existing document, you may have to switch to a different style and back for the changes to take effect once the style is updated.
Any further problems please let us know & thanks for reporting
Examples from Cite Them Right, 9th ed. 2013, p. 35:p. 52:
Title of conference: subtitle (in italics). Location, Date [day month] of conference.
- It should be "no date" instead of "n.d." (Cite Them Right, 9th ed. 2013, pp. 6, 15, 32, 41)
- When citing several undated items by the same author, no "a, b, c and so on" (p. 32) are added after the "no date", neither in the in-text citation nor in the reference list. (This is never show explicitly, but inserting a space seems necessary, so this should be "(Department of Health, no date a)", "(Department of Health, no date b)" and so on.)
- In such cases, the "accessed date" of websites appears as "(Accessed: 8 October 2012a)", "(Accessed: 8 October 2012b)" and so on. (Which is not helpful of course, since the in-text citations are all "(Department of Health, n.d.)".)
Cite Them Right, 9th ed. 2013, does not explicitly cover such cases, but it seems clear that adopting their format for "Chapters/sections of edited books" (p. 25) would be the way to go, so the output would have to look like this:
Franklin, A.W. (2012) ‘Management of the problem’, in Smith, S.M. The maltreatment of children. Lancaster: MTP, pp. 83–95.
Pears, R. and Shields, G. (2013) Cite them right: the essential referencing guide. 9th edn. Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan.
EDIT: Same for blog posts.
- newspaper & magazine titles in italics also when they're used in the place of authors
- "no date" instead of n.d. and disambiguation letters after no date (instead of behind access date)
- day and month for magazines, blogs, and presentations.
- et al in italics
- presentations now include conference, location, and day month as per above
- reports now include report type and report number
- book authors are now listed for book sections.
It would be helpful if you could have a look to see how translators should be handled, both for books and for book sections. I dont' think we currently handle them at all.
Hope I didn't miss anything - let me know.
Great, thank you.
I just noticed that in a presentation entry there should be a comma rather than a full stop between event and place (see example in CTR9, p. 34):
In entries with authors and editors where editor(s) come after the title, the format is not right yet (currently rendered as "Andrew N. Pollak, Bob Fellows and Mark Woolcock (eds)"). The correct format (CTR9, p. 22) is:Also note the full stop between "edn" and the editor(s); currently Zotero renders a comma.There’s nothing in CTR9 on book sections with translators.
Since translators would most likely be translators of the book rather than the section (but can Zotero distinguish this?), they should appear after the book title.
When book authors are listed for book sections, the editors (and translators; again, if we can assume these are the book translators) should come after the book title (currently they appear before the book title).
Translators (CTR9, p. 24):
CTR9 does not seem to include any examples containing both editor and translator. My best guess based on the examples above is:
Editor and translator (different persons):
Editor and translator (same person): By the way, what about "Introduction and notes by …": Can this be done in Zotero? If not, any plans?CTR9 = Pears, R. and Shields, G. (2013) Cite them right: the essential referencing guide. 9th edn. Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan.
1. Though there is no example in CTR9 of editor(s) and translator(s) who are the same person(s), the fact that CTR9 has "Introduction and notes by" (p. 24) seems to suggest that "and" is preferred over "&", so it should be "Edited and translated by" rather than "Edited & translated by".
2. A book section with author(s), bookauthor(s), and editor(s) is now rendered as:
Firstauthor, F. and Secondauthor, S. (2014) ‘Book section’, in Firstauthor, F. and Secondauthor, S., Firsteditor, F. and Secondeditor, S. (eds), Translator, T. (tran.) Book title. 7th edn. Place: Publisher.
rather than the expected
Firstauthor, F. and Secondauthor, S. (2014) ‘Book section’, in Firstauthor, F. and Secondauthor, S., Book title. 7th edn. Edited by F. Firsteditor and S. Secondeditor. Translated by T. Translator. Place: Publisher.
Note that I inserted a comma between book author and book title (there's not a single example of a book section with a book author in CTR9, all book section examples being from edited books and having "(ed.)" between editor and book title) but I feel it looks odd here without any punctuation.
The volume field is not rendered at all for book and book section items.