Citation and Edit Citation functions slow
Hi,
I'm finding the citation and edit citation functions have become painfully slow (up to 60 seconds) and I'm hoping there are some suggestions for speeding it up?
I am using:
Mac OS X (10.5.8)
Firefox 3.6.18
Word for Mac 2008 (12.1.9)
Zotero 2.1.8
Mac Word Plugin 3.1.3
I've upgraded as much as my OS will allow, upgrading further is not an option at the moment.
Thanks in advance for any help!
David.
I'm finding the citation and edit citation functions have become painfully slow (up to 60 seconds) and I'm hoping there are some suggestions for speeding it up?
I am using:
Mac OS X (10.5.8)
Firefox 3.6.18
Word for Mac 2008 (12.1.9)
Zotero 2.1.8
Mac Word Plugin 3.1.3
I've upgraded as much as my OS will allow, upgrading further is not an option at the moment.
Thanks in advance for any help!
David.
Thanks for responding.
The document I'm working in is about 170 pages long with Zotero references, Word captions, cross-references, footnotes, styles, table of contents and lists of figures. The content is a mix of text, tables, and linked images. I did have a three page bibliography which I have deleted as suggested. After turning off and restarting my machine I tested citations again but it is still just as slow.
Everything works fine in a new document though.
I'm using Harvard style which is an author-date format (is that what you meant?). Also, it's using 'fields' rather than 'bookmarks'.
Any further suggestions would be welcome,
Regards,
David.
I fear you're just at a limit of document size that works well with Zotero/Word - I'd recommend splitting in up while you're doing actual writing and editing and re-assembling this at the end. The problem may very well be only partly Zotero's and partly simply due to things that Word does, but I see that that doesn't help you much. All people I know who work on large manuscripts work with chapters in separate files until the last moment.
Does Zotero work without problems with split-up word docs? I mean will it handle the references correctly when merging the document parts etc.? Any experiences?
I did some research in the meantime. at least Office 2010/2011 has a very comfortable function to manage such documents. it should translate into some like "central document" and "affiliate document" (German link how it works with some screenshots, maybe it is understandable if you don't speak German: http://www.computerwoche.de/software/office-collaboration/2364637/index3.html). By doing so, Word splits your master document into separate files, which you can edit without having the big document open. And it merges them automatically, if requested. Seems to work with Zotero references as well.
Small disadvantage: cross references from one separate file into another seem not to work, but maybe I can find a bug fix...
I read that inserting citations with Zotero Standalone should be much faster. What is your experience?
I tried Zotero SA now, but its not really faster. I think root-cause of the degreasing speed is what you write - Zotero seems to check a lot of stuff each time I insert a new citation.
If there would be a way to NOT recheck everything when I insert a citation, but only manually or when I build the bibliography, that would help a lot.
Adding new documents to the library is no big deal, adding citations is really the thing that drives me mad.
I am getting so annoyed with it - can't work this way. I don't find anything that helps in the forum (Index delete, no ref table, draft mode in MS Word, ...) - no improvement. :-(
Maybe the reason is MS not giving the developers full access to the code they need, I don't know.
I love Zotero and have been spreading the word, but if there is no solution I need to switch with all the effort connected to it.
I use Zotero 2.1.8, Word 2011 + plugin , Mac OS X 10.6.8.
As this is nothing going directly wrong, does it help if I create an error report?
Developers, please help :-)
edit: my library is just 829, so maybe 2500 with all childs
Perhaps the solution is a "quick add/edit" mode. In this mode, adding or edting a ref would just add or modify the field but do nothing to check author disambiguation, bibliography ordering, and all the other things that now take up to one minute. At least in author-date styles it is not strictly necessary to do all the checking until the user wants the checking done. The "refresh bibliography" would then take care of the checking etc. whenever the user is ready to get a coffee (or a tea).
The bigger issue for me is just a design one: I don't like having to open the dialog at all.
Also, I'm now noticing the plug-in now switches to Firefox after inserting the citation, rather than LibreOffice. This is really not good, and should get fixed.
http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/12078/inserting-citation-into-a-word-document-causes-alot-of-repagination/
Unfortunately I can't tell you when exactly this started happening, because I was not writing much during the past year, but I have the latest version of 2.0.
Zotero seems to be reformatting all of my footnotes every single time I insert a new one. Word puts on a show of being very busy: the screen flickers like crazy, and if I try to move the cursor, it is immediately returned to where it started. I tried using smaller files, but it doesn't matter if the document is 10 pages, or 60. It slows my writing down to a crawl, but the most unfortunate part about it is that Word's Undo function is pretty much killed. Zotero's note edits seem to require dozens of tiny steps, and it takes ages to cycle back through all of them to get to my own, last change--this frustrating behavior is one of the main reasons I stop using Endnote X2 in favor of Zotero, so I'm sad to see it cropping up now. Thanks for any help or advice, but please don't ask me not to use Chicago--with the kind of work I do, using APA would slow me down even more, as I would need to constantly look up bibliographic information in the full database. I'd really like Chicago to work like it's supposed to.