Chicago Fullnote with bibliography: op. cit.

lord55

For op cit.:
how can I use position="subsequent" to insert it?

but, really, I don't like this... my teacher wants it.

Is it possible to build something to say for example:

(short description), pagg. 23-45, op. cit. at pag. 100
thanks in advance

adamsmith

no - something along this lines will be possible with the next version of Zotero, but currently isn't.

bdarcus

I haven't thought about this in awhile (in part b/c I'm not a fan of op. cit. at all), but I would think it should be possible now to support it, since "op cit" is effectively a synonym for the subsequent condition. We just don't have a localized pre-set term for "op. cit.", and so I think you just need to add a text element with the "op. cit." value.

Or am I wrong?

adamsmith

really, you don't like op cit? ;-)

You're right, it's possible to just put op cit there with something like
if position="subsequent"
[all the stuff for the short note]
text value="op cit."

but what isn't possible is the "at pag. 100" - i.e. a pointer to the first citation - which I understand will at least in general terms be possible in csl 1.0

bdarcus

Oh, right. This reminds me why I despise these styles ;-)

I'll add here, though, that we've not discussed page number anchors for 1.0 (which may not even be possible); only note numbers.

@lord55, I'd encourage your "teacher" (from me) to reconsider their requirements here. This is a pretty unreasonable style to expect people or software to have to implement.

lord55

thanks for answer
I set it in this way and it seems correct:

<macro name="point-locators-subsequent">
<choose>
<if position="subsequent">
<label variable="locator" form="short" include-period="true" suffix=" "/>
<text variable="locator"/>
<text value=", op. cit."/>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>

but I have it like this
....,pag. 56, op. cit.;

how can I put op. cit in this way :
..., op. cit., pag. 56;

thanks in advance

fbennett

Offhand, it looks like it should work to move your op. cit. text node up above the label node (immedately after the if node), and reverse the position of the comma. But if the idea is to explicitly enter the page number of the backreference (i.e. the page of the reference in your document), you will lose the ability to pinpoint a page (or note or line number or whatever) of the target source, which is what the locator is normally meant for. There is no mechanism in Zotero or CSL for explicitly and separately setting both of those pieces of information on a cite.