worldcat woes

rcrath

This issue has come up in other threads, but because of its erratic nature has not really been addressed fully as far as I can tell. When I come to the detailed record page for some, but not every, worldcat record, I get no zotero icon in the address bar. The most recent time this happened was with National Endowment for the Arts. 2004. Reading at risk: a survey of literary reading in America. Research Division report. Washington, DC: National Endowment for the Arts. LC: Z1003.2; GovDoc: NF 2.2:R 22; GPO Item No: 0831-B-02 (online). I took out the url because it requires the user to be logged in. When I try to imprt as an endnote file, zotero does not recognize it as such because worldcat uses a different ("wrong") mime type from zotero, and zotero operates on the mime type rather than the file extension. Worldcat's export as RefWorks just failed, returning the browser to the same page. So I opened the endnote cite, and later the plain text cite, in firefox and clipped it and tried to import from clipboard. No love there. Zotero did not recognize the clipboard as a valid format for which it had a translator. I am pretty sure that the text file and the endnote file were identical.

It may be a problem only with certain types of worldcat records, like reports rather than books, and I realize it is probably a problem with worldcat rather than with zotero, but until worldcat figures out the problem, could there be some kind of workaround, maybe by writing a translation file for the text worldcat in fact puts out rather than what it should put out?

I am using zotero 2.0b7.4 on firefox 3.55, xp sp3. The RIS preference is checked.

dstillman

Unless the URL would compromise your session, we need it.

I can save from http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/56358340&referer=brief_results (which is the static page for that book) just fine.

Exporting to EndNote works as well.

adamsmith

which worldcat are you using?
Using the regular worldcat this works fine:
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/55730233&referer=brief_results
as does the regular endnote export/import.

If you're using First Search, the endnote export to zotero doesn't work (this is some proprietary Endnote format, no RIS), but I couldn't find any issue with the Zotero translator for any of the NEA reports.
I've tried the one with Accession Number 56358340
(you can search in the advanced search)
and that works fine for me.

rcrath

I am using the FirstSearch. Dan asked for the url. It is
http://proxy.library.upenn.edu:2137/WebZ/FSFETCH?fetchtype=fullrecord:sessionid=fsapp2-59169-g21f4dla-txasd7:entitypagenum=4:0:recno=2:resultset=2:format=FI:next=html/record.html:bad=error/badfetch.html:entitytoprecno=2:entitycurrecno=2:numrecs=1

but I don't think it will execute unless you are logged in.

Adam, I tried by accession number through first search, came up with the same record. I get no zotero icon in the address bar, but I do get it if I go to the record on the worldcat.org site.

I wonder if there is not some weird plugin incompatability? I have the following ones activated, none of which appear on the list I found: adblock plus, all-in-one sidebar, firebug, flashblock, foxtab, history tree, interclue, skipscreen, tab history, tab history menu, tab kit (with tabs set to left side instead of top), tab preview, tabviz (experimental, self install), weave, zotero, zotero winword.

That would seem odd though, as I get the zotero icon no prob from other sites. If it would help, I could post a screen shot showing the lack of an icon...

dstillman

That record works for me via FirstSearch as well.

Provide a Debug ID for a record page load that doesn't show the icon, and we'll take a look.

dstillman

As for extensions, it's easy enough to tell—just disable the others. That's not particularly likely to be the problem if it works on other sites, but it's worth a shot.

adamsmith

That seems to be the proxies fault - for some reason it cuts out the entire URL for the OCLC, so that Zotero doesn't know it's on the firstsearch site.
Compare this to my working URL

http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org.turing.library.northwestern.edu/WebZ/FSFETCH?fetchtype=fullrecord:sessionid=fsapp8-36635-g21g5hs3-1hr5pf:entitypagenum=6:0:recno=2:resultset=2:format=FI:next=html/record.html:bad=error/badfetch.html:entitytoprecno=2:entitycurrecno=2:numrecs=1

The same thing after /WebZ, but the Northwestern proxy doesn't obscure the URL.
If I'm right, you should see oclc.org in those worldcat records that do work for you.
No idea what to do about this, though.

dstillman

That's not necessarily the problem. EZproxy has two modes—a hostname-based one and a port-based one—and Zotero supports both. The Debug ID should tell us more.

rcrath

I ran debug and posted the file to the server. The Debug ID is D1018293013.

dstillman

If you would, restart Firefox and generate and submit debug output for logging into the proxy server. Thanks.