Sub Verbo

tuckerresearch

I'm using the latest Zotero 2, the newest Word plugin, and the Chicago Full Note with bib style. When I use "sub verbo" in the dropdown menu (instead of using page, or chapter, or etc.; or entering it as a "dictionary entry," I'm just citing the book) it gives me this:

Ophelia Marquez and Lillian Ramos Navarro Wold, Compilation of Colonial Spanish Terms and Document Related Phrases (Midway City, CA: Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research Press, 1998), chichimeca.

The title of the entry should be in quotes and the "s.v." is nonexistent. I tried using the same work again in a second note and got this:

Marquez and Wold, Compilation of Colonial Spanish Terms, s.v. chichimeca.

Properly shortened for a nonstandard glossary entry, and the "s.v." is here this time, but, again, there are no quotes around "chichimeca."

What's up?

adamsmith

What's happening is that Chicago gives you a complete version for the first entry and a short version for the subsequent entry - that's why they are different.

If I understand you correctly, the first one isn't right - maybe Elena (the Chicago Manual expert and maintainer) can take a look to see if this is a mistake in CMOS and if it's fixable with Zotero.

tuckerresearch

Actually according to CMOS 17.238, what is listed above is what I want, almost, as 17.238 says: "Certain reference works, however, may appropriately be listed with their publication details." So what I want is this for the first entry:

Ophelia Marquez and Lillian Ramos Navarro Wold, Compilation of Colonial Spanish Terms and Document Related Phrases (Midway City, CA: Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research Press, 1998), s.v. "chichimeca."

And this for the second:

Marquez and Wold, Compilation of Colonial Spanish Terms, s.v. "chichimeca."

Or, if I decide to suppress the author:

Compilation of Colonial Spanish Terms, s.v. "chichimeca."

But that's not what I'm getting.

adamsmith

the lack of s.v. in the first case is weird. I can't replicate that - I get s.v. when I use a book (or a book chapter for that matter) with sub verbo.

The quotation marks are more tricky. I believe this _should_ currently be possible, but isn't.

(Tucker, you can ignore everything down from here if you want - technical notes, mostly for dev).
it should be possible to make a conditional on the sub verbo along the lines of
<if locator="sub verbo>
<text variable="locator" quotes="true"/>
</if>

that _is_ possible for all the other locators such as line, verse, paragraph etc. but not for sub verbo. I suspect there may be a bug in the csl.js
I'm just guessing here, but I think the javascript might choke on the space in

var locatorTypeTerms = ["page", "book", "chapter", "column",
"figure", "folio","issue", "line", "note", "opus", "paragraph", "part",
"section", "sub verbo", "volume", "verse"];

sub verbo is the only term that doesn't work and the only one with a space. Shouldn't it be "sub-verbo"?

tuckerresearch

Well, I should have said, in the first case where the "s.v." is missing, that it comes at the end of a note with multiple sources. I tried it as a standalone note and got the "s.v." like you did, but still with no quotes around the term.

adamsmith

ah yes, that's weird, I can replicate the behavior on multiple citations - though only in the plugin, it works fine in the test panel - that seems like a bug to me
might be related to this, which is the only error message I'm getting:
[JavaScript Error: "this._editor is undefined" {file: "chrome://zotero/content/bindings/styled-textbox.xml" line: 152}]
Report ID 1942888849

The quotes we should be able to figure out - if I'm right, this would be a very, very easy fix.

tuckerresearch

I got another one:

When I cite a chapter of a book in a note with one source, it shows "chap." before the number, thus: xxxxx, chap. 17.

However, in a note with multiple sources, the "chap." is missing, thus: xxxxx, 17.

This makes it seem as if it is a page number, not a chapter number.

srippon

BUMP for tuckerresearch's issue of the missing "chap.". It's still a problem in the current version of Zotero.