[Juris-M] Translator coding questions

samgagnon

Hello,

First of all, I'd like to state up front that I have no idea what I'm doing and that everything I've done so far has been the result of a long series of trial and errors.

I have a problem with a translator I've been working on for canlii.org .

I'm trying to use it to send to Juris-M cases from that website. Almost everything works, but I still have a few problems.

While most of my problems are Juris-M specific (court names not being right and not knowing how to import into the alternate language fields), there is one problem I have which is closer to the base Zotero functions, which is why I'm here to ask for help.

Simply put, I cannot get two items linked by "seeAlso" in the translator to show up as "related" in the actual Juris-M interface.

In order to conform to how Juris-M handles parallel citations, the translator I've working on creates two items for any cases that require the use of parallel citations. I've got it working to output two items, but I cannot get "seeAlso" to link them in the actual Juris-M interface. In Scaffold, when I run tests, they will show up with a correct value of "seeAlso", but once I try to use it to bring things into Juris-M itself, the "related" tab is always empty.

If anyone wants a peak at the mess of a translator that I code, here it is : https://github.com/Droitslinguistiques/translators/blob/master/CanLII.js

I'm warning you though. I don't know what I'm doing. The translator mostly works right now, but I am certain that anyone more experienced than me might have a hernia looking at my terrible messy code.

Thank you.

gduffner

Hi, I'm far behind you with my attempts at translators but I think, I can at least point you at a working example: https://github.com/Droitslinguistiques/translators/blob/master/BAILII.js for British cases seems to do that nicely. Relevant lines are probably 612 and following, especially l. 650.

samgagnon

Thank you!

I did just realize that I made a mistake. For some reason, my code hasn't uploaded to github, and the file I linked had a very old version of the translator on it.

It should be better now. I'll work on it tomorrow and try and see if I can use your code to guide me on how to do this.

gduffner

Just to make sure that there is no misunderstanding: it's not my code, I just found it :)

samgagnon

Ah, I see now, ok.

The portion of the code for seeAlso is beyond my ability to understand right now.

However, the neutral court code identifier thing at the top is wonderful. That is definitely something I'll see if I can use to solve the court name vs LRR name problem I've been having with courts.

The other problem I'll have left is to find a way to scrape the info of the other language (if I'm scraping a french decision, get the english version, and vice-versa) and add that info the Juris-M multilingual fields.

One problem at a time though. For now, I just want to make sure that I can get parallel citations to import correctly through seeAlso. I'll save the rest of my ambition for once I've solved that puzzle.

samgagnon

Update: I just tried to use that translator you linked to import some cases from Bailii.org, and while the cases did import correctly, they were not linked in "related". So it seems that the "seeAlso" troubles I've been having with my code are also in this code as well.

At this point, I'm wondering if that's a Juris-M issue, or a Zotero one.

I tested a few different Zotero translators who have a seeAlso code, but none of them linked the items correctly.

At this point, I'll try to raise an issue in Zotero's GitHub and hope for an answer there.

gduffner

That's not good. I'm not at my computer at the moment, so I can't test right now. But it definitely worked on 22 October 2020 with Jurism on this page: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKSC/2019/41.html — altogether, 7 items were created and linked automatically.

samgagnon

Hmmm I can't even get that to load the translator with Jurism. The Zotero translator loads fine, although it doesn't link the items, but the only jurism translator that loads is the web-page with snapshot one.

Edit 1 : The translator runs fine in Scaffold, but from my browser, it doesn't detect a case or run properly.

Edit 2 : I've replicated this problem in both Edge and Chrome. I'll test on another computer and see if the issue might just be my own computer or something else.

samgagnon

Just popping back in to say that I did end up getting a hold of my laptop and testing that page you sent me. 7 items were sent to Zotero, but they are not linked in the "related" tab.

gduffner

I can confirm the same behaviour. Now I doubt that it was done automatically back in October. Although I don't remember doing so, I might well have linked them by hand.

samgagnon

Where would be the best place to raise this issue to get some attention? I tried to create an issue in the Zotero translator repository, but I'm not sure if that's the best place.

gduffner

I think, you’re already using the right resources. But Frank is probably not be the right person to ping here. @adamsmith is among those with most experience, pershaps he might know whom to ask? As you remarked that it doesn’t work in Zotero either it’s most probably something around the translator infrastructure or the communication between the translator and Zotero. One place that might be better to ask for attention could be the Zotero-dev mailing list which is developer-oriented: https://groups.google.com/g/zotero-dev?pli=1

samgagnon

Thanks! I'll ask there then.

I'm still learning as I go, so a lot of times, I'm not sure if an issue is worth bugging Frank over, since it might be a bug or might be my own lack of coding knowledge that is the problem, or if Frank is even the right person to ask. That dev mailing list looks to be a perfect solution to that problem!

adamsmith

Yeah, I had a quick look a couple of days back and this certainly doesn't appear to work as advertised in the documentation. I don't know if it's generally broken or just doesn't work for web translators

samgagnon

@adamsmith Hello! I'm just checking back in to see if you had a chance to look into this?

adamsmith

It's broken for all translators, both import and web, as far as I can tell, which means @dstillman or someone else from the core dev team would need to look at it.

samgagnon

I see. Well, at least I'm glad to know that it wasn't just a mistake on my part then.

samgagnon

So, while my knowledge of any of this barely extends beyond a surface level understanding of how CSL works, I did find this :

https://github.com/zotero/zotero/commit/3fc38d750bc0b9efe3273f157019103ba3d52300#diff-c9b8090ac1c78b9c8297c04f22daf965a30d298f44d4cc8e533e37fffb220a5e

In this merge, the code for adding related items from seeAlso was commented out of translate_items. I think. Again, I know nothing.

@dstillman was the ability to relate items through translators removed or changed to something else I haven't found yet?

samgagnon

Hello!

I'm sorry to keep bumping this thread, but I would like to know if anyone has had a chance to look at this question.

In Juris-M, linking together related items is a major part of how parallel citations are handled. If the "seeAlso" translator function was intentionally removed or replaced, I would like to know so that I can start figuring out another way to import parallel citations.