Books mistaken for articles in footnote references

Hello,
I hope this question wasn't already discussed in another discussion. I have an issue with my footnote references since I re-downloaded Zotero (actual version that I have: Zotero 5.0.90). The books are systematically mistaken for articles in the footnotes, although they are correctly identified as books in my Zotero library. The error only concerns books' references that I entered in the library since I downloaded the new version ; my old references work fine. How can I get this fixed? Thanks a lot in advance for your help!
  • edited 11 days ago
    I happened to be helping someone today using a Chicago footnote style. I took the opportunity to test downloading a book and a book chapter from the Springer website. When cited, those new items were formatted correctly as books in the footnotes and bibliography.

    For other more experienced folks on the forums to better help you:

    Please tell us what style you are using.
    What word processor are you using? What version of the software?
    Where did you download / import the book records? Did you hand-enter those records?
    Are you sure that all of the appropriate book-type metadata fields are included in your Zotero record?

    Please provide an example of your text that demonstrates what you mean. It isn't clear to me why you believe that 'books are systematically mistaken for articles'.

    Are you certain that the ambiguous items in your Zotero library are set as Type: book at the top of each problematic new record?

    edit: TMI The student I was helping is using a beta version of Zotero but you are using a very recent version. (I barter my help with editing and proofreading manuscripts for their volunteer help with my projects. Thus, I didn't have much opportunity to test further when playing with someone's document. The items I downloaded were relevant to their research.)
  • Please provide an example of your text that demonstrates what you mean. It isn't clear to me why you believe that 'books are systematically mistaken for articles'.
    Yes, that's the main thing we'd want to start with for troubleshooting: what's the citation style, how do the incorrect citations look like.
  • edited 10 days ago
    Thank you both for your quick answers. I use Microsoft Word 2016 for Mac, and I import my references from the SUDOC, a catalog browsing among all French universities' libraries.
    When looking at the metadata fields to answer your question I found the solution: in the "extra" section of the informations about the reference, in addition to the ISSN of the book, there was written "text reorganized from". I don't know why the SUDOC imports added this element. But I removed it and left just the ISSN, and the footnotes got right again.
    (What I meant by books mistaken for articles is this: for instance with the book David Robinson, Paths Of Accommodation: Muslim Societies And French Colonial Authorities In Senegal And Mauritania, 1880-1920, Athens, Ohio University Press, 2000, 361 p., it was written in the footnote reference as: David Robinson, "Paths Of Accomodation: Muslim Societies And French Colonial Authorities In Senegal And Mauritania, 1880-1920").
    Thanks again, I should have looked more closely before asking the forum!
  • in the "extra" section of the informations about the reference, in addition to the ISSN of the book, there was written "text reorganized from".
    Does this still happen? When I import from http://www.sudoc.fr/06105481X I don't see that
  • It does with some books : see for instance when you import from http://www.sudoc.fr/245249516
    It seems that it concerns books steming from a PhD dissertation, because the description then indicates that it is a "text reorganized from the PhD dissertation": http://www.sudoc.fr/199763402
  • edited 10 days ago
    Thanks, that's very helpful.

    @dstillman -- we can probably do something about this in the translator, but this is also a bug in Zotero's moving field information to Extra:
    The translator puts thesis information in newItem.type for dissertations. That's genre in CSL terms, but Zotero actually writes the information as Type: XYZ into extra for non-thesis item types, overwriting the item type on citation (and in almost all cases to something invalid). Not sure what the right behavior is, some options:
    - Zotero could just never move item.type to extra
    - Zotero could move item.type to genre: in extra
    - Zotero could validate type for existing item types before writing to Extra. (I don't think that's the right, FWIW, so woudl pick one of the first two)
  • Zotero could mote item.type to genre: in extra
    This would be the best in my opinion.
  • edited 9 days ago
    @adamsmith: Where are you seeing this? I'm only seeing the COinS translator for the above SUDOC pages, and it doesn't put a Type line in Extra. (I can't even load the above pages in Firefox due to an "XSLT Stylesheet unavailable" error.)

    Zotero shouldn't currently be storing item.type in Extra at all, specifically because it overrides the CSL item type:

    https://github.com/zotero/zotero/blob/93d3a4be7a9ce91a81df5164d974b3d916984fc1/chrome/content/zotero/xpcom/data/item.js#L4450-L4460
  • edited 9 days ago
    I go to http://www.sudoc.fr/245249516
    That redirects me to http://www.sudoc.abes.fr/cbs/DB=2.1/SRCH?IKT=12&TRM=245249516

    Which Firefox recognizes (as it should) as "Library Catalog (PICA)"

    When I save the item, it imports (otherwise fine) with
    Type: Texte remanié de in Extra
    IIRC, Sudoc has started using a different URL schema in Chrome, so the target may not match there (see https://github.com/zotero/translators/issues/2202 )

    (edit: can't say why the linked code isn't working, but it isn't for me or the OP)
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