Wrong place of proceeding saved on the ACM website by the connector

woodfly

I find that the connector saved wrong place of proceeding on the ACM website.

For example, https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1018799

It identidied the place of proceeding is "Washington, DC, USA", but actually it should be "New York, New York".

The same applies to https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1082473.1082545. The place of proceeding should be "The Netherlands" rather than "New York, NY, USA".

bwiernik

No, this is correct. “Place” here is referring to the place of publication, which is New York. Place of the event can be entered in Extra like this:
Event place: The Netherlands

For published proceedings such as this, the publication place is typically the one cited.

A future version of Zotero will have separate fields for these two places.

woodfly

It is really confusing. Another interesting thing is that if you add the record by DOI (via Crossref): 10.1145/1082473.1082545 for the paper https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1082473.1082545, the Place is "The Netherlands" which is what I expect.

woodfly

I looked at the BibTex exported from the ACM website, it indeeds has two fields "address = {New York, NY, USA}" and "location = {The Netherlands}". I started to understand what you mean.

bwiernik

@adamsmith Might it be a good idea to already store the event place in Extra, rather than discarding? With the way it is currently set up, citeproc-js won't use that data unless the proper Place field is empty, but it seems like that could be a change in how it handles field-Extra conflicts (like it does already with date variables).

woodfly

Does anybody know whether I should use the place of publisher or the location of the conference in the Chicago manual of style? I searched quite a lot, but still confusing which is right. Thanks for the help.

bwiernik

For published conference proceedings, which is what Conference Paper is for, use the publication place. For unpublished presentations, use Presentstion.

dstillman

I looked at the BibTex exported from the ACM website, it indeeds has two fields "address = {New York, NY, USA}" and "location = {The Netherlands}".

Right, and to further complicate matters, it seems like this is poorly spec'ed in BibTeX, whereas in BibLaTeX address is deprecated (and an alias for location) and venue should be used instead for the event location.

adamsmith

Yeah, we'd want to fix this for ACM specifically, not generally for BibTeX.