De Montfort University Harvard Style Update

rjon109

Does anyone know how to get a citation style updated? The format they have for De Montfort University Harvard style is out of date for films and tv shows.
http://library.dmu.ac.uk/Images/Selfstudy/Harvard.pdf

damnation

Do you have the style edited already? If so you can go here and click the edit button and it will make a Pull Request once you submit: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/blob/master/harvard-de-montfort-university.csl

If you haven't, please point out the mistakes and changes like before vs after or anything else that needs changing and we'll take a look.

rjon109

So I don't know how to code so is it ok to show via examples how it should look?

damnation

yes. that's why I said. :)

rjon109

OK Note all titles in italics

Film example:
in text citation currently is: (Kubrick 1968)
Bibliography is:
KUBRICK, S., (1968) 2001: A Space Odyssey, Warner Home Video.

Should be
in text:
(2001: A Space Odyssey 1968)

Bibliography:
2001: A Space Odyssey. (1968) [Film] Directed by STANLEY KUBRICK. USA: Warner Home Video.

the frame of it being:
Title. (Year) [Type of media] ORIGINATOR (e.g. director). Place of production: Production company.

I'm checking about the way they have tv episodes listed and will post that once I know.

damnation

I'm not that fast, I've just been working on this in the background in the meantime. There was actually a few small mistakes, so it was good to have looked at this style. Try this and let me know: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/POBrien333/styles/820f3e81b6174c399e4ca0407c00c5a184bfe3bf/harvard-de-montfort-university.csl

rjon109

Wow! Yeah that's almost there! Thanks!

damnation

Well, if it's just almost, tell me what needs fixing?

rjon109

Where you have the genre being pulled you need it to say [Film], the director's first name should also be there (first and last in caps), and there should be a field for Country of Origin which then appears before the Production Company (which also needs to be fixed as it says Distributor as the field title).

So it should have
2001: A Space Odyssey. (1968) [Film] Directed by STANLEY KUBRICK. USA: Warner Bros.

But I'm in touch with our library to confirm if they have provided the most up to date version of this citation format as they are not in line with other examples, so it might change a bit again.

damnation

Check this out: https://github.com/POBrien333/styles/raw/027e862a4029ba5a511041523d4c6a2153329275/harvard-de-montfort-university.csl
Film is saved under Format (csl variable medium). You also obviosly need to fill in a Place, otherwise it won't be shown.
I thereby get this: Herbert’s Movie. (2017) [Film] Directed by Myagi, San. USA: Warner Bros.
I'm just following the guidelines.

rjon109

Thanks!

rjon109

Would it be possible to get the title italicized? Also the in text cite should have the film title and year, not the director. (sorry for being such a bother!)

damnation

Try this: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/POBrien333/styles/f720ca601d7ad0b5736530c5d4925b925f269328/harvard-de-montfort-university.csl

I've also adapted to style for TV series (TV broadcast). Comes out like this now:
(How I met your mother 2013)
Bibliography
How I met your mother. (2013) Ted finds the umbrella. [TV] BBC. 9th September 2013, 1800h.

rjon109

Almost there!
For some reason it's pulling from the extra line so my citation looks like:
2001: A Space Odyssey. (1968) IMDb ID: tt0062622. [Film] Directed by KUBRICK, S. UK & USA: Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.

damnation

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/POBrien333/styles/a9fbee8243fddfe631f7acb3a27a551d08c9eae3/harvard-de-montfort-university.csl

For TV series, put the time it was playing (see the 1800h above) in the extra field. I've taken it out for movies. Just forgotten to do that.

rjon109

ACE! You are a wizard!

adamsmith

I'm not a big fan of using variable="note" for workarounds if we can at all avoid it; isn't there a more appropriate variable we could use here?
(Not your fault, but it's also, frankly, a ridiculous thing to include in a citation; how does that help the reader -- in particular since that example given was obviously _not_ first aired on BBC but on CBS in the US at different times in different timezones?)

rjon109

The air time is optional thankfully.

damnation

that How I met your mother "episode" is made up. I just typed in BBC as that's what sprang to my mind.
I looked and what is currently empty for TV broadcast is: Place, Language, Short Title, Archive, Loc. in Arhicve, Call Number, Rights. None of them are all that fitting to put in the time.