How to change name surname sequence in a style?

kev1807

Hi folks,

I'm working on my thesis in History at the History Department Heidelberg University in Germany and I use the citation style that is in the repository, however, I like the sequence "last-name, name" better than the other way round (which is also the standard citation style at HD, so I think it'd be better to have it that way)
can any1 hint me towards the way of changingg that order?

adamsmith

do you have a link to current guidelines for citations from them? Our old link is dead. Only thing I see is the Leitfaden für Proseminarsarbeiten. Is that's what's generally used? That looks quite different for footnotes, right?

Anyway, just have a look at how this is done fore the bibliography already. You could just switch author to author-bib down in the citation section of the style, or you add name-as-sort-order="all" to the author macro.

General instructions here: https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles/style_editing_step-by-step

kev1807

I cannot present you a link, but I can type the instructions we received during our first semester...

monograph:
Name, First Name: Titel.Sub-title(title of series, no...), location high case: edition year.

(notice: we also do not have to name the publisher)

anthologies/editions (don't know what's the accurate term in english ...)
Name of editor, first name (Hrsg): Titel.Sub-title(title of series, no...), location high case: edition year.

a)article in a journal:
Name, First Name: Titel.Sub-title, in: title of journal, nr. year edition, year.
b)article in an anthology/edition
Name, First Name: Titel.Sub-title, in: title of anthology.subtitle, hrsg. v. firstname lastname of editor(title of anthology, nr.), location high case: edition, year.

--> again no Publishers mentioned


Weird: I changed the style and in a new document it is now ordered the way I want, however in the document I previously created and citet with the old style it still uses first name last name order :-/

adamsmith

try changing to a different style and back in the existing document.

I'm not going to touch the current style unless we have some clearer guidance I can access.

kev1807

Alright,
I checked and the Leitfaden is the same what we've been told years ago :-D

http://www.uni-heidelberg.de/imperia/md/content/fakultaeten/phil/zegk/histsem/leitfaeden/leitfadenproseminararbeit.pdf
However, It's not that important, 'cause the most important fact is consistency ...

thanks, the change worked :-)

kev1807

I just realized some minor things:

Can I prevent the change from name, firstname to ibid if the page is not the same? (they're very precise about that ... :-D )

AND can I create short-titles?
(only the first citation needs to be the exact title)
SO when I cite
Glyn Williams' "The Prize of all the oceans" for the first time it has to look like "Williams, Glyn, The Prize of All the Oceans, New York, N.Y., 2001, S. X"
but if I quote it for the second, third, xth time a short tiitle like "Williams, Prize, S.X" is OK

adamsmith

no on the first question.

Yes on the second one: check for <else-if position="subesequent"> (I think the style does that already.) the use <text variable="title" form="short"/> (or a macro that calls the title variable in this form).
For this to work, the short title field in Zotero needs to be populated, otherwise it falls back to the full title. It doesn't create short titles automatically (it does so on import, but only according to the US rules, i.e. using the part before a colon or similar punctuation mark as a short title).