RTF Scan problem: mapped citations showing errors

Some of my mapped citations are listed on the left column of Standalone as something like this:

"\hich\af2\dbch\af31505\loch\f0 Maienschein, 2005"

What does this mean? How can I fix it?

Once I figure this out, I can decide if I want to tackle the same author-same year problem that seems to be frequent...
  • those look like code leftover from RTF or so? hard to say, I've never seen those. What happens with the scan? Does it work?
  • It honestly just seems as if RTF Scan is picking and choosing which citations it formats. The example I gave is formatted correctly while another does not appear as a mapped citation at all.

    Or I get something like this:

    {Pauly, 1987; Haraway, 1989; Kay, 1993; Paul, 1995; Clarke, 1998; Curry, 2012}

    becomes (note the error in the second line)

    Ibid.; Donna Haraway, Primate Visions: Gender, Race, and Nature in the World of Modern Science (New York: Routledge, 1989).Kay, 1993Diane B. Paul, Controlling Human Heredity: 1865 to the Present, The Control of Nature (Atlantic Highlands, N. J.: Humanities Press International, 1995); Adele E. Clarke, Disciplining Reproduction: Modernity, American Life Sciences, and “the Problems of Sex” (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1998); Helen Anne Curry, “Accelerating Evolution, Engineering Life: American Agriculture and Technologies of Genetic Modification, 1925-1960” (Yale, 2012).
  • If it matters, this RTF is an export from Scrivener for Windows.
  • edited October 6, 2015
    I deleted the Kay, 1993 entry and retyped it just in case there was some weird coding thing going on that I couldn't see. It figured out the Kay reference but messed up the Haraway and Paul references...

    {Pauly, 1987; Haraway, 1989Lily E. Kay, The Molecular Vision of Life: Caltech, The Rockefeller Foundation, and the Rise of the New Biology (New York: Oxford University Press, 1993).Paul, 1995Adele E. Clarke, Disciplining Reproduction: Modernity, American Life Sciences, and “the Problems of Sex” (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1998); Helen Anne Curry, “Accelerating Evolution, Engineering Life: American Agriculture and Technologies of Genetic Modification, 1925-1960” (Yale, 2012).

    I then retyped the whole entry and it formatted them all correctly except for the Pauly, 1987...
  • have you tried the same with RTF generated by different software.
    In all honesty, RTF scan is hardly maintained. Given its limitations, I tend to recommend people use a more robust solution like ODF scan or MMD citations. That said, at least in the basic form you're using it it should certainly work.
  • Ah, that's too bad.

    I am working with an existing document and having to go through and add the zu: identifiers for every entry sounds time-consuming (and inelegant at that: the {author, year, page number} system keeps everything clean, one of the reasons I like it so much). It also limits compatibility with Endnote should I wish to return to that program after my trial with Zotero.

    My version of Endnote is experiencing the disambiguation problem that many seem to run across... They have fixed it, but I have to throw down $90 to do so, which is too bad.

    *sigh*
  • I think I solved the problem!

    That you mentioned it could be something with the RTF itself gave me an idea: I downloaded LibreOffice, opened the unscanned .rtf and saved it under a new name (but still .rtf), scanned that one, and it worked! So I guess the problem must be in how Scrivener for Windows exports to rtf?
  • great. Yeah, I'm not surprised that the details of the RTF matter. It's a pretty messy file format and RTF scan works with regular expressions within that.
    Some more testing with different RTF outputs would probably be good, though I'm also not sure how good Scrivener's RTF is. Their ODF has significant problems.
  • edited October 6, 2015
    Small question that I don't think is worth starting a new thread for:

    If I wish to cite multiple sets of pages, e.g.:

    {Bellon, 2009, 45 60 75}

    How do I get RTF Scan to read those three numbers as "45, 60, 75"? (Would that even be the proper format?) Or is it something I change in the .csl file?
  • have you tried just using commas? {Bellon, 2009, 45, 60, 75}? CSL would be OK with that and I think the regular expression used should catch it.
  • Sadly, no. It just doesn't attempt to format it at all.

    Thank you for the help and timely responses!
  • unfortunately that means RTF Scan can't handle it. (Stuff like this is one of the reasons we implemented the ugly-looking ODF scan cites with the |, btw. -- recognizing what is what in unstructured markers is surprisingly difficult and we felt like we could never get to the level of reliability we wanted otherwise).

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