Zotero website not working consistently

Hello! I'm a librarian at a high school, and recently began using Zotero with a group of 20 students. We've set up a group in Zotero to collect our research, but every single time we try to use Zotero it kicks us off the site and says to retry in a couple minutes. I need to provide instruction on how to use the site, but either we can't get on the site or we get kicked off within minutes. This only happens with Zotero and hasn't occurred with any other sites we use. The site runs fine for me at home with no issues.

The IT department at our school mentioned that since we are all on the same wifi network we are all sending the same IP address to the Zotero site when trying to access it, even tho we each have our own accounts. Could this be the problem? Is there a solution I can explore? I'm at the point of having to select another tool for students, but had my heart set on using Zotero.
  • fcheslack or Dan will have to speak about the site performance (I do occasionally get that message, too, FWIW, though far from regularly), but could you step back and say why you need the Zotero website that urgently?
    Once to group is set up and the students have joined, they should be able to do everything much more easily in the Firefox add-on or Zotero Standalone (whichever you chose to teach).
  • I teach an Introduction to Historical Research Methods course and I'd like students to use Zotero to collect their websites and journal articles for their large research paper. I meet with them 4 times a week for about 55 minutes. Not every student has their own device, which is why so many of them are using the website version of Zotero as opposed to the stand alone.

    The three times we tried to use Zotero as a class the Firefox add-on gave us the error message I mentioned. The times we were able to get back in, it give us the same error message as soon as we clicked on anything on any links on the site.
  • The three times we tried to use Zotero as a class the Firefox add-on gave us the error message I mentioned.
    There may be some confusion about what is what:
    There is
    1) The Zotero website at zotero.org which works on any browser
    2) Zotero for Firefox, an add-on for the Firefox browser and
    3) Zotero Standalone, which can be connected to other browsers using the appropriate extension.

    2) and 3) are basically functionally equivalent and the best reference/research tool out there. 1) is much, much less powerful and, imo, inferior to available web only tools such as RefMe or citeUlike.
    The error you describe would only occur when using 1). Once installed, you don't need zotero.org for 2) and 3).

    It's obviously your call, but I'd question whether Zotero is a good choice of tools if you can't use either 2) or 3). E.g. you can't use it in a Word processor, you can only create bibliographies with up to 25 items at once, you can't save webpage snapshots, you can't search properly, etc. etc.

    None of that means the website should fail in the way it does, of course.
  • Okay, so I guess the students who do not have their own laptops will have to use our school's Noodletools account and the students that are able to download the stand alone Zotero on their own device should be fine.

    This is a bit of a disappointment, because I was under the impression that Zotero's website (option 1) would be a solid option for my students who did not have their own tech device, or couldn't bring there's to school, as they would still be able to access their saved info from home. :/

    Thanks so much for your guidance and assistance!
  • I hope this will improve. Zotero is in the process of hiring a dedicated web developer, and I'd expect making the website into something closer to a "web-app" that's fully functional would be a priority. Not going to help you this year, but perhaps as soon as next year.

    Still would be good to get the performance issues of the site as of now fixed, though.
  • What adamsmith says — I don't think you want to encourage exclusive use of the web library at this point — but are there specific places on the website where you're seeing these timeouts?
  • And just to clarify, can you say what the exact error is that you're getting?
  • The error -- which I get occasionally (maybe a couple of times/week) when loading the forum, e.g. -- is a white page with the Zotero logo in the middle and text below it that says something like "We're experiencing some problems. Please try again in a minute" (don't have it right now, so can't quote).

    I think this started some time within the last year, after some type of update, but unfortunately don't recall very well.
  • (Yeah, I know. I just want to make sure that's actually what staceylr59 is referring to. The change was actually just to display something nice instead of timing out with "An error occurred" or whatever we said before. But ideally nothing would take long enough to trigger that.)
  • Hi Dan and Adam,

    Yes, the error message my students and I are receiving is "We're experiencing some problems. Please try again in a minute." This occurs all the time no matter where we are on the site. Then, when we try to get back in we'll be taken back to the page we were on and as soon as we click on something else we get timed out again.

    Do you think it could be a random occurrence or is it possible we're confusing the site all coming from the same IP address? I never receive this error message when I use the Zotero website at home. Either way, it is super frustrating and I'm really hoping there is a work around.

    Thank you both so much for trying to help me. I really, really appreciate it!
  • @staceylr59: Do you really mean _one_ IP address or rather (as it would usual from different users in the same wifi) one IP _range_ of addresses?
  • @zuphilip: I believe the IT department said since we are all logged on to the same wifi network we are all accessing Zotero with the same IP address. So, not a range of IP Address, but the exact same one. We've never had this problem with other websites and each student has their own unique Zotero login/password, so I'm not sure if that is the problem.

    I do know that when I use my same laptop at home to access the Zotero website, I don't receive that error message.
  • Which pages are you running into this on? Browsing an individual or group library? Groups pages? Settings pages?

    Accessing from the same IP shouldn't matter.
  • edited September 28, 2015
    This happens to me on any part of the site (forums, documentation, the home page, my library). It doesn't happen very often and when I experience it I can quickly access the site a few minutes moments later. I have only experienced this over the past few weeks.

    The thing I find about the error screen is that it is immediate instead of after a pause for a time-out. At first this only happened to me when I was trying to reach the forums. When I gave it a thought I supposed that it was a sort of "too many connections" to the forums database error. However, as it has happened to me throughout the site, I don't know.

    The error is not a generic error page but is customized to the Zotero site.
  • This morning I tried accessing the Zotero website to make changes to my group members and I got the same error. So, now I know it's not the IP address thing since my students aren't even here. The error message says:

    "Oops! We've had a little trouble getting that page for you. Please try again in a minute or two. Our apologies for the inconvenience."

    This happens every time I access the Zotero website while on campus. It happens on any and all pages repeatedly.

    I've only been using Zotero consistently the last couple weeks, so I don't know if this is a new problem, but does anyone have any news on when it will be fixed? I'm at the point where I don't think my class will be able to use it because it's unreliable.
  • There was an issue with the main groups page that has now been fixed. If you're still seeing it with other pages, let us know.

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