Aquatic Ecology style is incorrect

stroom

The style of Aquatic Ecology and its parent springer-basic-author-date is incorrect.

From the Instruction for Authors:

• Dissertation
Trent JW (1975) Experimental acute renal failure. Dissertation, University of California
**** The added word 'Dissertation' is missing

• Book chapter
Brown B, Aaron M (2001) The politics of nature. In: Smith J (ed) The rise of modern genomics, 3rd edn. Wiley, New York, pp 230-257
**** "In: Smith etc" is not there in my citation. Zotero uses "Book section", not "chapter", maybe thats the hickup, but if so I do not know how to solve it

I tried http://editor.citationstyles.org/visualEditor/

It is obvious that for more entries Zotero uses different words than citationstyles.org. Is that the root of the problem here? And if so, why not use the same entries?

I tried to edit the style but to no avail.

Yes I'm a newbie

adamsmith

looks like a problem in your data.
"dissertation" needs to be in the "Type" field in Zotero (so you can also cite other theses such as MAs).
Editors are cited in the style (check the preview on zotero.org/styles) -- are you sure you have them entered in Zotero?

stroom

Yesszzz. One problem solved. Thank you Adam.

Yes I have an editor and authors for my book sections
And in the preview at https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=aquatic%20ecology
I get "error:"

But Springer Basic (author-date) gives a perfect preview...

In http://editor.citationstyles.org/visualEditor/ I get a nice preview as well:
In: Hall PA, Soskice D (eds) Varieties of capitalism. The institutional foundations of comparative advantage. Oxford University Press, New York, pp 184–213

adamsmith

have you tried installing the Springer Basic (author-date) style and using that? Should be the same, but maybe there's a problem.

stroom

And another thing with book sections, next to the missing "In: Smith J (ed):"

The book name is abbreviated, and Captioned:
"Sav. Million Species Extinction Risk Clim. Change" instead of
"Saving a million species: extinction risk from climate change"

stroom

Yes I tried Springer Basic (author-date) -> same result..

adamsmith

the book title thing we can fix.
For the editor(s): Do you see the same problem in the test pane with that item?
https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/citation_styles/reference_test_pane

stroom

Almost the same. I use Springer Basic (author-date)
The abbreviations are gone (is that a Word-Add-in-thing then?), but the "In: Smith J (ed):" is still missing:

Individual Citations
(Poff et al. 2012)
(Grime 1993)
Single Citation (with position "first")
(Grime 1993; Poff et al. 2012)
Bibliography
Grime JP (1993) Vegetation Functional Classification Systems as Approaches to Predicting and Quantifying Global Vegetation Change. Vegetation functional classification systems as approaches to predicting and quantifying global vegetation change
Poff NL, Olden JD, Strayer DL (2012) Climate Change and Freshwater Fauna Extinction Risk. Saving a million species: extinction risk from climate change

adamsmith

do those come out correctly (with editors) in other styles, say American Psychological Association?

(yes, auto-abbreviations only work in the Word add-in)

stroom

Yes, that one works fine:
Grime, J. P. (1993). Vegetation Functional Classification Systems as Approaches to Predicting and Quantifying Global Vegetation Change. In A. Solomon & H. Shugart (Eds.), Vegetation functional classification systems as approaches to predicting and quantifying global vegetation change. Springer. Retrieved from http://www.geobotany.org/teaching/biol474/GrimeJP1993_ch15.pdf

I changed Editor to Book Author as well, it just loses the "(Eds.)":
Grime, J. P. (1993). Vegetation Functional Classification Systems as Approaches to Predicting and Quantifying Global Vegetation Change. In A. Solomon & H. Shugart, Vegetation functional classification systems as approaches to predicting and quantifying global vegetation change. Springer. Retrieved from http://www.geobotany.org/teaching/biol474/GrimeJP1993_ch15.pdf

No improvement in Springer Basic (author-date) though

adamsmith

ah, it's the lack of a page range. The style treats articles and chapters without a page range differently. We should adjust that in the style, but you should also add the page ranges for those articles in your Zotero data as a short-term solution.

stroom

Yep that works! Thanks a lot! I was worried to have to edit the CSL. I started with that, with all kinds of funny results...

I found the auto abbrev. option in Word add-in. It says that it abbreviates journal titles. I expect it to do just that, not abbreviate books as well. It does that in a kind of random manner including dumping small words. Is there a way to separate that? Abbreviate only journals?

adamsmith

only in the style--I'll try to fix that over the weekend.

stroom

Thank you so much. One last (I think) question though. The Instr. for Authors states:
"Ideally, the names of all authors should be provided, but the usage of “et al” in long author lists will also be accepted"

The style breaks at three authors. Is it possible to not break at all as is preferred by Aq.Ecol.? And by me as well ;), since sometimes the last author mentioned turns out to be a key player.
Or optional break at a high savety level of say 25.
Thanks again for your fast and accurate responses.

adamsmith

OK, book titles are no longer abbreviated. Also fixed the issue for book chapter without page ranges.
As for the et al.--not quite sure what I'll do for Aq. Ecol., but there is an identical version of the style without et al in the bibliography available on the repository:
https://www.zotero.org/styles?q=Springer%20Basic%20%28author-date%2C%20no%20%22et%20al.%22%29

note the updates for both of these may take up to 30mins to appear on the repository.

stroom

Works like a charm, Tnx!