Style Error: deutsche-gesellschaft-fur-psychologie

There is a small error in the DGPs-Style ( http://www.zotero.org/styles/deutsche-gesellschaft-fur-psychologie ).

If there are more than 6 authors, the first 6 should be listed followed by "et al.". Currently zotero inserts a "," before the "et al.", but there should be none (cf. DGPs-Manual, p. 93).

Correct example:
Klieme, E., Avenarius, H., Blum, W., Döbrich, P., Gruber, H., Prenzel, M. et al. (2003). Zur Entwicklung nationaler Bildungsstandards. Eine Expertise. Bonn: BMBF.

Momentary zotero-output:
Klieme, E., Avenarius, H., Blum, W., Döbrich, P., Gruber, H., Prenzel, M., et al. (2003). Zur Entwicklung nationaler Bildungsstandards. Eine Expertise. Bonn: BMBF.
  • You are right. I checked the page in the manual and there is an example as you describe it. A fix should be on its way...
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  • edited February 18, 2015
    I have identified another error (at least kind of an error).

    The DGPs-Manual has no instructions for DOI but it is based on the APA style. According to the APA style there should be no "." after the DOI (cf. American Psychological Association, 2009, p. 198). However, whenever using the DGPs style the DOI is followed by a "."

    Reference:

    American Psychological Association. (2009). Publication manual of the American Psychological Association (6th ed.). Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.



    Correct example:
    Pollard, A. & Filer, A. (2001). The myth of objective assessment — An analysis in relation to primary education. Education 3-13, 29 (3), 4–8. doi:10.1080/03004270185200291

    Current zotero-output:
    Pollard, A. & Filer, A. (2001). The myth of objective assessment — An analysis in relation to primary education. Education 3-13, 29 (3), 4–8. doi:10.1080/03004270185200291.
  • Okay, that looks reasonable. Is there a point after normal urls, e.g.


    Ahlquist, J.S. & Breunig, C. (2009). Country clustering in comparative political economy (MPIfG Discussion Paper No. 09-5) (S. 32). Cologne: Max-Planck Institute for the Study of Societies. Verfügbar unter: www.mpifg.de/pu/mpifg_dp/dp09-5.pdf [Stand: 15.12.2012].
  • There is no point after URLs according normal rules either when electronic media is referenced (see section 5.19 in the DGPs manuscript guidelines, p. 97-101). I have noticed that the official formats actually differs quite a bit from the example zuphilip has given above.

    Instead of [Stand: 15.12.2012] after the URL the DGPs prescribes the use of "Zugriff am 15.12.2012." before the URL. However, there are certain variations that I find rather confusing. The biggest one is that for English sources they require the user to use the APA denomination of "Retrieved, December 15, 2012,"

    I think the best and most consistent format (with DGPs) would be:

    Ahlquist, J.S. & Breunig, C. (2009). Country clustering in comparative political economy (MPIfG Discussion Paper No. 09-5) (S. 32). Cologne: Max-Planck Institute for the Study of Societies. Zugriff am 15.12.2012. Verfügbar unter: http://www.mpifg.de/pu/mpifg_dp/dp09-5.pdf
  • The German Zeitschrift für Pädagogik who more or less follows APA and DGPs, however, prescribes a different format (cf. http://www.beltz.de/fileadmin/beltz/downloads/zfpaed/Manuskripthinweise_ZfPaed_2013.pdf ):

    "Bei Internetquellen:
    Nachname Autor/Autorin, Initiale[n] Vorname[n] (Erscheinungsjahr). Vollständiger Titel. URL angeben [Abrufdatum].

    Beispiel:
    Lerntier, A. F., Faulpelz, D. R., & Duchsmaus, K. G. (2010). Wie unterschiedliche Menschentypen lernen. Erfolgreiche Lehr- und Lernansätze im Unterricht. http://www.bildungsseite-berlinlernt.de/lerntypen/fenrichs/2010.pdf [12.05.2010]."

    It is another matter at the Zeitschrift für Erziehungswissenschaft who prescribe the following format (cf. http://www.zfe-online.de/images/ZfE_Manuskripthinweise_2014.pdf ):

    "Beispiel für ein Internet

    Dokument:
    Statistisches Bundesamt Deutschland (2000). Bevölkerungsentwicklung Deutschlands bis zum Jahr 2050. Ergebnisse der 9. koordinierten Bevölkerungsvorausberechnung, Wiesbaden. http://www.destatis.de/download/veroe/bevoe.pdf. Zugegriffen: 20. Juni 2005."

    Here we even have a point directly after the URL which I consider bad practice. Try their link reference and you will notice that the point at the end breaks the link.
  • Okay, I would like to update the DGP citation style also with respect to the url as you suggested above. Moreover, I think it is then a good idea to have another style for the Zeitschrift für Pädagogik with the other variant. However, we already have a style for the https://www.zotero.org/styles/?q=Zeitschrift für Erziehungswissenschaft : it is mapped to a generic Springer style, but this is IMO wrong.
  • Thank you, zuphilip.

    Is there a way to ensure that there is a point behind the retrieval date but not after the URL (or DOI) if the retrieval date is missing? This appears relevant for the Zeitschrift für Pädagogik style.

    It seems that for the DGP style the point after the DOI, URL, URN etc. will have to be removed. Given that the retrieval date is pulled before the URL or DOI no two conflicting scenarios seem possible (i.e. point vs. no point).
  • edited February 19, 2015
    Hm... it looks like this was exactly changed the other way a year ago, see https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/728/files

    @adamsmith, @rmzelle: Any advice on this issue? I try to summarize it for you: The style for the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Psychologie (~APA adapted for German) seems not very specific about some things, e.g. rendering URL and access date:

    Variante 1: Verfügbar unter: www.mpifg.de/pu/mpifg_dp/dp09-5.pdf [Stand: 15.12.2012].

    Variante 2: Zugriff am 15.12.2012. Verfügbar unter: http://www.mpifg.de/pu/mpifg_dp/dp09-5.pdf

    No. 1 is now implemented in the DGfP style, and it seems to be the one for the journal "Pädagogik" and for the "Fachbereichs-Studienführer Pädagogische Psychologie und Didaktik".

    No. 2 was initially implemented in the DGfP style, it is one of the example in the official documentation of the DGfP and it is also implemented in Citavi in this way.
  • 2 is also closer to APA. If this is indeed in the official DGfP documentation, that's what we'll go with, ideally adding a link to the relevant doc.
  • Agree. However, it will revert some changes from Oct 2013. Is that okay? I would like to implement the other variant for the journal "Pädagogik"...
  • edited February 19, 2015
    I caught that, looked at the discussion for that pull request, there was never any reason specified for this, just that it's better (which, IIRC, was true given the linked documentation, but that isn't official).

    Edit: so to your question: yes, that's OK.
  • Okay, the style for DGfP is already changed now, and a new style for the "Zeitschrift für Pädagogik" will be available soon (I try to correct the last errors). I try to work on the Springer journals in general, and hopefully can correct the style for the "Zeitschrift für Erziehungswissenschaft" during that. @zurpher: Feel free to remind me some weeks/months later.
  • Excellent. A big thank you to you both for your great work. Much appreciated.

    zuphilip, I will kindly remind you about the ZfE style (if need should arise). Please post a message when the ZfPäd style is alive. If I should notice any other deviations from the DGP style than electronic references, I'll let you know.
  • Great job. I've noticed a couple more deviations from DGP that I've posted in a new thread called "Zeitschrift für Pädagogik (German)".
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