Mention of edition not imported from PICA (Sudoc) catalog

27point7
Hi
In this record
http://www.sudoc.abes.fr/DB=2.1/SRCH?IKT=12&TRM=103787410
"2ème édition revue et augmentée" refers to the mention of edition (2d ed, revised...)
It should be imported in Zotero if possible (I don't know if it is possible, as it is only separated from the title with ". -" )

M. Saby
  • zuphilip
    Well, if we look at the pica format, it should be easy to grab from different fields:

    021A $S1#$aLa @revue mode d'emploi$nTexte imprimé$dguide à l'usage des auteurs, des créateurs de revues et des attachés de presse$dcomment publier une revue, comment publier en revue$hJean-Jacques Nuel
    028A $S#1$9027050726$8Nuel, Jean-Jacques (1951-....)$B070
    032@ $S##$a2ème édition revue et augmentée

    But I am not sure if the translator works like this...
  • adamsmith
    the translator scrapes straight from the page. How do you get to the PICA format? I wasn't aware such a thing existed.
  • 27point7
    You can't have raw PICA format in Sudoc or raw UNIMARC, because of rights management (they don't have the right to expose raw record, especially for records provided by ISSN International), but it was technnically possible some years ago (ABES desactivated the feature when it was discovered accidentally by a colleague...), so in other PICA catalogs it is maybe still possible.

    But ABES have made the records available in rdf since 2011:
    http://www.sudoc.fr/103787410.rdf

    Unfortunately, they had only mapped a few MARC fields, and not the field for edition statement (would be 205 field in UNIMARC).

    I suppose if somebody ask for it, they can add new elements. @symac has probably more information about that (I know he will take a look at this thread ;-) )

    M. Saby
  • 27point7
    But edition is more easily accessible in the "list" mode.
    See :
    http://www.sudoc.abes.fr//DB=2.1/SET=56/TTL=1/CMD?ACT=SRCHA&IKT=4&SRT=RLV&TRM=revue+mode+emploi
    "Nuel, Jean-Jacques (1951-....) / 2ème édition revue et augmentée / L'Oie Plate / impr. 2006"
  • zuphilip
    On http://www.sudoc.abes.fr/DB=2.1/SRCH?IKT=12&TRM=103787410 there is a hidden link below the green icon.
  • 27point7
    Oh yes!
    http://www.sudoc.abes.fr/DB=2.1/SRCH?IKT=12&TRM=000348791/PRS=PP/NXT

    The "/NXT" does not seem mandatory
    I found 1 other tip: add "/UNM" to get the unimarc
    http://www.sudoc.abes.fr/DB=2.1/SRCH?IKT=12&TRM=000348791/PRS=UNM


    BUT as Sylvain Machefert said in 2011, this does not seem to be an "official" service, so it is probably better to rely on a modern service for exposing record, like the .rdf one (see the comments under this post http://akareup.hypotheses.org/314 )

    M. Saby
  • 27point7
    Ohh, I forgot there are buttons for importing in RIS or BibTeX format in "Mon panier/export" page on the left
    http://www.sudoc.abes.fr/DB=2.1/SET=4/TTL=1/RESULTS_SAVEINFO_LONG?FRST=1&LAST=1&HITS=3&PPN=103787410
    These 2 export formats have a field for edition!
    And they give a permalink for the record.


    The 2 buttons triggers javascript function (Export) from which it is possible to infer the URL:

    http://www.sudoc.fr/export/q=ppn&v="+ppn.join("|")+"&f="+format

    -->
    http://www.sudoc.fr/export/q=ppn&v=103787410&f=ris
    and
    http://www.sudoc.fr/export/q=ppn&v=103787410&f=bibtex

    Those links display first a message box before importing the record, but maybe they can be useful for some developments?

    M. Saby
  • adamsmith
    the problem is that these don't reliably exist in PICA. I assume the same is true for UNIMARC, but it's worth taking another look.
  • 27point7
    In fact I misinterpreted the alert box when trying to download the bibtex record. It's generated by Zotero of course, not by the Sudoc...

    So, you can retreive any Sudoc record in bibtex format with this syntax
    curl 'http://www.sudoc.fr/export/q=ppn&v=003915123&f=bibtex'

    Not sure of the meaning of your last comment. If you say this export exists only for Sudoc, not for other PICA catalog, you may be true. In Germany, this PICA catalog exposes bibtex, but only embedded in a web page I think
    http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=277739187&PRS=bibtex
    M. Saby
  • adamsmith
    Not sure of the meaning of your last comment. If you say this export exists only for Sudoc, not for other PICA catalog, you may be true.
    exactly. Bibtex is also just not that great as a format. But the UNIMARC might be interesting.
  • zuphilip
    For the issue with the edition in SUDOC: The Zotero pica translator can correctly grab the edition number, if it is saved seperately in COinS. For example try http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=37069158X&INDEXSET=1 and take the link to the "Online-Ausg.". Maybe you can suggest them to include rtf.edition in their COinS?
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