University of Leeds harvard edits

Hello,
I hope this is the right place to comment. I'm trying to use the Univ of Leeds Harvard style and noticing quite a few things that I think are different to the guidance at http://library.leeds.ac.uk/skills-referencing#activate-harvard_style

1) Book chapters: UoL guidance is Family name then initial - the Zotero style gives the initial first
i.e. it should be:
Family name, INITIAL(S). Year. Chapter title. In: Family name, INITIAL(S) (of editor). ed(s). Title of book. Place of publication: Publisher, page numbers.

I get Hulme, D. 2008. Reflections on NGOs and Development: The Elephant, the Dinosaur, Several Tigers but No Owl In: A. J. BEBBINGTON et al., eds. Can NGOs Make a Difference? The Challenge of Development Alternatives. London: Zed.

2) Book chapters again - editor surname showing in caps, the guidance is lower case.

3) Multiple source citations in text: the guidance is that these should be listed chronologically, which doesn't seem to happen at the moment.

4) 'In' for book sections or conferences - these are showing in italics but the guidance doesn't show italics.

Also, I tried to download the style to have a go at editing it, but just got a few lines, not the whole thing. Not sure what I did there?

It would be wonderful if someone who knows what they're doing could have a go at making these changes! Thanks
  • Oooh I have managed some of these having found I could open the style in in Notepad++. Done so far:
    Changed editor surnames to first cap only
    Changed the In to not being italics
    Got the sources to list chronologically

    Still stuck on family name first for editors. Thanks for all the excellent guidance through the forum that meant I could work some of these out.
  • OK, stuck on getting family name then initials for editors. Guess it's something to do with this bit below. Some advice on this would be much appreciated - I'm sure it should be simple really...

    <else-if type="chapter paper-conference" match="any">
    <text macro="title" prefix=" "/>
    <group prefix=" ">
    <text term="in" text-case="capitalize-first" suffix=":"/>
    <names variable="editor" delimiter=", " prefix=" " suffix=".">
    <name and="text" delimiter-precedes-last="never" initialize-with=". ">
    <name-part name="family" text-case="capitalize-first"/>
    </name>
    <label form="short" strip-periods="false" prefix=", "/>
    </names>
    <group prefix=" " suffix="." delimiter=" ">
    <text variable="container-title" font-style="italic"/>
    <choose>
    <if match="any" variable="URL">
    <text term="online" form="long" plural="false" prefix="["suffix="]"/>
    </if>
    </choose>
    </group>
  • See the description of the "name-as-sort-order" attribute for the cs:name element, at http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#name
  • Thanks for the quick help. I changed it to this:
    <macro name="editor">
    <names variable="editor" delimiter=", ">
    <name and="symbol" initialize-with=". " delimiter=", " name-as-sort-order="all"/>
    <label form="short" prefix=", "/>
    </names>


    Is that what you meant? It doesn't seem to have worked - still getting initials first. Sorry! - what am i doing wrong?
  • That looks good. If you post the entire style to https://gist.github.com/ I'll have a look.
  • Thanks - like this? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/415466230db3b500f982
  • How are you testing this? With Zotero? Are you sure you're using the latest version of your style?

    The Zotero CSL test pane produces:
    Melville, H. 1998. Moby Dick [online] (Tanner, T., ed.). Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press. Available from: http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&scope=site&db=nlebk&db=nlabk&AN=56041 [Accessed July 15, 2014].
    with the version you put up, so it works for me.
  • Hi, and thanks again for your help. I just tested it in the test pane. I'm getting

    Hulme, D. 2008. Reflections on NGOs and Development: The Elephant, the Dinosaur, Several Tigers but No Owl In: A. J. Bebbington et al., eds. Can NGOs Make a Difference? The Challenge of Development Alternatives. London: Zed.

    I want it to be Bebbington, A.J. et al., eds. etc

    Not sure why you are getting a different format - I just did copy and paste for the github thing. Grateful for any ideas
  • Is the name "A. J. Bebbington" properly stored in the two-field format?
  • Yes - it's there in separate first and last name boxes. I get the same issue with any other citations where there is an editor eg just tried another and again got the initial first

    Hulme, D. 1994. Social development research and the third sector: NGOs as users and subjects of social inquiry In: D. Booth, ed. Rethinking Social Development: Theory, Research and Practice. Harlow: Longman.

    Thanks again!
  • Are you using the latest version of Zotero (4.0.21.2)? Can you try saving the book from http://www.worldcat.org/title/moby-dick/oclc/47010459&referer=brief_results , and change Tony Tanner to the editor role?
  • Hi, thanks again. Zotero says it is version 4.0.21.5 - will that do?

    That comes up as
    Melville, H. 1998. Moby Dick [online] (Tanner, T., ed.). Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press. Available from: http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&scope=site&db=nlebk&db=nlabk&AN=56041 [Accessed July 15, 2014].

    But it's a book not a book section - my other refs are book chapters

    If I make it a book section, I get
    Melville, H. 1998. In: T. Tanner, ed. Moby Dick [online]. etc

    Arghgh!
  • Good catch :).

    Try changing

    <name and="text" delimiter-precedes-last="never" initialize-with=". ">

    to

    <name and="text" delimiter-precedes-last="never" initialize-with=". " name-as-sort-order="all">

    on line 159 ( https://gist.github.com/anonymous/415466230db3b500f982#file-gistfile1-txt-L159 ).
  • Whoop whoop! That's sorted it! Thanks VERY much :)
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