bibtex/biblatex import/export and the "Jr" name part

nickbart

When a name contains a "Jr." part, the recognized format in both bibtex and biblatex is "von Last, Jr, First" (see, e.g., http://www.lsv.ens-cachan.fr/~markey/BibTeX/doc/ttb_en.pdf).

Upon importing from bibtex or biblatex into Zotero,author = {von Last, Jr, First}
is converted to Zotero fields

Author (last): von Last, JrAuthor (first): First

It should be converted to

Author (last): von LastAuthor (first): First, Jr(See https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/3271/author-suffix-in-apa-format/,
https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/23745/names-with-junior/.)

Likewise, upon exporting to bibtex or biblatex,

Author (last): von LastAuthor (first): First, Jr

is converted to
author = {von Last, First, Jr}

It should, of course, be converted to
author = {von Last, Jr, First}

In addition, Zotero/CSL's "John,! Jr." construct, used to indicate that a junior comma should be rendered, can be expressed by adding "juniorcomma" to the "options" field of a biblatex entry (so far implemented at least in biblatex-chicago - and not available in bibtex).

Also, upon exporting to bibtex/biblatex, a suffix like "III" is wrapped in braces. This is unnecessary since names never undergo case conversion.

Finally, is Zotero/CSL's recognized format for "Jr" parts documented anywhere (except for being mentioned in forum posts)? If not, it would be nice if this could be added, e.g. to the Knowledge Base.

aurimas

This should be fixed now. Update your translators via Preferences -> General -> Update Now

Not sure about documentation though. adamsmith can probably tell you about that.

Edit: thanks for reporting btw

fbennett

I think this one is on me, at least for the first draft.

nickbart

Thank you. One small issue remains, however:

A Zotero entry with Author (first) = "First,! Jr."

is exported to:

author = {von Last, ! Jr, First},

The "!" should be removed since neither bibtex nor biblatex will see it as a formatting directive but simply print it as part of the "junior" part - clearly not what is intended.
When a "!" is present, "options = {juniorcomma=true}" could be used instead (this would have the intended effect on the biblatex side; bibtex would ignore it).

And, just to clarify: Your fix is for "BibTeX" import/export only, right?

"BibLaTeX" export does not seem to have been updated so far.

(BTW, is there any dedicated biblatex import module? As far as I see, you get to choose upon export but not upon import ...)

fbennett

I'm looking at adding an entry to the Knowledge Base, and I can't quite seem to figure out how to add a page. There is the "playground", which allows creation of a page, but there doesn't seem to be a channel for publishing from there. On the published side of the tree, I can edit pages, but the index to the Knowledge Base has only tag markers, and no wiki-style links to page.

How do you go about this?

Gracile

If you go to the URL of your desired wiki page, e.g. https://www.zotero.org/support/kb/how_to_enter_names , there will be a link to create the page.

aurimas

@nickbart, ooops, yes, I forgot to update BibLaTeX. Done now. Same instructions as above.

There is no dedicated BibLaTeX import, BibTeX should be able to handle both.

fbennett

@Gracile: Thanks! This modern wiki business is very new to me. :-)

Gracile

@fbennett: https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/37033/ml-zoterto-jurisdiction-in-american-style/?Focus=190632#Comment_190632 (The succession of links transforms this comment in a treasure hunt)

fbennett

Ha-ha. And sorry for the delay.

I did some work on the abbrevs filter recently, though (a new release will be out one of these days), and realized that the syntax had changed -- so there wasn't anything that needed fixing, I just needed to get the explanation to you. I think. We'll see.

Anyway, try this in an abbreviation field:

!here>>>

Just that. It borrows the syntax of subsequent field suppression, but it should have the same effect as {suppress}.

Gracile

Great, and that works with vanilla zotero ! (btw, my comments are still awaiting moderation on citationstylist, maybe you can post something for the OP)

fbennett

Done. Thanks for the nudge.