List all authors - not xxx et al. in Bibliography

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How do I get Zotero to list all four authors in the bibliography?
The file contains the full names of all the authors, but they are not listed in the bibliography.
  • Which citation style?
  • custom style. delete et-al-min="3" and et-al-use-first="1" (or whatever it is) from the line starting with <bibliography
  • I deleted this line
    <bibliography hanging-indent="true" et-al-min="4" et-al-use-first="1">
    but it made no difference (Saved as mod 7a)

    I noticed in line 122 higher up there is this line:

    <bibliography hanging-indent="true" et-al-min="4" et-al-use-first="1">
    I deleted it also. (Saved as mod 7b)

    I still get the following with "et al.," and not the three other authors in the bibliography.

    Genc, M. et al., (2011) The Impact of Immigration on International Trade: A Meta Analysis. Available at: www.norface-migration.org.
  • no, please read carefully. When I write "delete" xyz _from_ the line starting with <bibliography I do not mean "delete the entire line" . Just delete those two things from that line. There will never be two lines starting with <bibliography... in a valid citation style
  • Thank you. It worked.

    I have noticed that in the bibliography that "In:" is included although the reference was a document and not a chapter in a book as I would expect with "In:". This was followed by the contents of what I had entered in the "Abstract".

    OECD, (2004) Promoting Entrepreneurship and Innovative SMEs in a Global Economy: Towards a More Responsible and Inclusive Globalisation. In: Second OECD Conference of Ministers responsible for Small and Medium-sized Enterprises (SMEs). Istanbul, Turkey: OECD Publishing. Available at: http://www.oecd.org/cfe/smes/31919590.pdf.

    Ideally, I would like to delete "In:" but leave it in for instances where I designated the reference to be a chapter in a book.
  • can't say without seeing the style.
  • This is the style.

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
    <style xmlns="http://purl.org/net/xbiblio/csl" class="in-text" version="1.0" demote-non-dropping-particle="sort-only">
    <info>
    <title>Harvard Reference format 1 (author-date) LJ mod 7e Feb 2014</title>
    <id>http://www.zotero.org/styles/harvard-reference-format-1-author-date-lj-mod-7e-feb-2014</id>;
    <link href="http://www.zotero.org/styles/harvard-reference-format-1-author-date-lj-mod-7e-feb-2014" rel="self"/>
    <link href="http://libweb.anglia.ac.uk/referencing/harvard.htm" rel="documentation"/>
    <author>
    <name>Julian Onions</name>
    <email>julian.onions@gmail.com</email>
    </author>
    <category citation-format="author-date"/>
    <category field="generic-base"/>
    <summary>The Harvard author-date style</summary>
    <updated>2014-02-08T05:10:39+00:00</updated>
    <rights license="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License</rights>
    </info>
    <macro name="editor">
    <names variable="editor" delimiter=", ">
    <name and="symbol" initialize-with=". " delimiter=", "/>
    <label form="short" prefix=", " text-case="lowercase"/>
    </names>
    </macro>
    <macro name="anon">
    <text term="anonymous" form="short" text-case="capitalize-first" strip-periods="true"/>
    </macro>
    <macro name="author">
    <names variable="author">
    <name name-as-sort-order="all" and="symbol" sort-separator=", " initialize-with="." delimiter-precedes-last="never" delimiter=", "/>
    <label form="short" prefix=" " suffix="." text-case="lowercase" strip-periods="true"/>
    <substitute>
    <names variable="editor"/>
    <text macro="anon"/>
    </substitute>
    </names>
    </macro>
    <macro name="author-short">
    <names variable="author" suffix=",">
    <name form="short" and="symbol" delimiter=", " delimiter-precedes-last="never" initialize-with=". "/>
    <substitute>
    <names variable="editor"/>
    <names variable="translator"/>
    <text macro="anon"/>
    </substitute>
    </names>
    </macro>
    <macro name="access">
    <choose>
    <if variable="URL">
    <text value="Available at:" suffix=" "/>
    <text variable="URL" font-style="italic"/>
    <group prefix=" [" suffix="]">
    <text term="accessed" text-case="capitalize-first" suffix=" "/>
    <date variable="accessed">
    <date-part name="month" suffix=" "/>
    <date-part name="day" suffix=", "/>
    <date-part name="year"/>
    </date>
    </group>
    </if>
    </choose>
    </macro>
    <macro name="title">
    <choose>
    <if type="bill book graphic legal_case legislation motion_picture report song thesis" match="any">
    <text variable="title" font-style="italic"/>
    </if>
    <else>
    <text variable="title"/>
    </else>
    </choose>
    </macro>
    <macro name="publisher">
    <group delimiter=": ">
    <text variable="publisher-place"/>
    <text variable="publisher"/>
    </group>
    </macro>
    <macro name="year-date">
    <choose>
    <if variable="issued">
    <date variable="issued">
    <date-part name="year"/>
    </date>
    </if>
    <else>
    <text term="no date" form="short"/>
    </else>
    </choose>
    </macro>
    <macro name="edition">
    <choose>
    <if is-numeric="edition">
    <group delimiter=" ">
    <number variable="edition" form="ordinal"/>
    <text term="edition" form="short"/>
    </group>
    </if>
    <else>
    <text variable="edition" suffix="."/>
    </else>
    </choose>
    </macro>
    <macro name="pages">
    <group>
    <text variable="page"/>
    </group>
    </macro>
    <citation et-al-min="3" et-al-use-first="1" et-al-subsequent-min="3" et-al-subsequent-use-first="1" disambiguate-add-year-suffix="true" disambiguate-add-names="true" disambiguate-add-givenname="true">
    <layout prefix="(" suffix=")" delimiter="; ">
    <group delimiter="">
    <group delimiter=" ">
    <text macro="author-short"/>
    <text macro="year-date"/>
    </group>
    <group>
    <text variable="locator"/>
    </group>
    </group>
    </layout>
    </citation>
    <bibliography>
    <sort>
    <key macro="author"/>
    <key variable="title"/>
    </sort>
    <layout>
    <text macro="author" suffix=","/>
    <date variable="issued" prefix=" (" suffix=")">
    <date-part name="year"/>
    </date>
    <choose>
    <if type="bill book graphic legal_case legislation motion_picture report song" match="any">
    <group prefix=" " delimiter=" " suffix=",">
    <text macro="title"/>
    <text macro="edition"/>
    <text macro="editor"/>
    </group>
    <text prefix=" " suffix="." macro="publisher"/>
    </if>
    <else-if type="chapter paper-conference" match="any">
    <text macro="title" prefix=" " suffix="."/>
    <group prefix=" " delimiter=" ">
    <text term="in" text-case="capitalize-first" suffix=":"/>
    <text macro="editor"/>
    <text variable="container-title" font-style="italic" suffix="."/>
    <text variable="collection-title" suffix="."/>
    <text variable="event" suffix="."/>
    <group suffix="." delimiter=", ">
    <text macro="publisher" prefix=" "/>
    <text macro="pages"/>
    </group>
    </group>
    </else-if>
    <else-if type="thesis">
    <group prefix=" " suffix="." delimiter=". ">
    <text macro="title"/>
    <text variable="genre"/>
    <text macro="publisher"/>
    </group>
    </else-if>
    <else>
    <group suffix=".">
    <text macro="title" prefix=" "/>
    <text macro="editor" prefix=" "/>
    </group>
    <group prefix=" " suffix=".">
    <text variable="container-title" font-style="italic"/>
    <group prefix=", ">
    <text variable="volume"/>
    <text variable="issue" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>
    </group>
    <group prefix=": ">
    <text variable="page"/>
    </group>
    </group>
    </else>
    </choose>
    <text prefix=" " macro="access" suffix="."/>
    </layout>
    </bibliography>
    </style>
  • the style will print "In" only for chapters and conference papers. I assume the OECD paper above is the latter. It's common for citation styles to treat papers in conference proceedings the same way as book chapters.
  • Thank you. That explains it.
  • Harvard style

    Is there a way to highlight a reference in the bibliography and be taken to the location of that citation in the text?
  • Thank you for letting me know. I have read all the comments and realise I am certainly not alone.

    Please let us all know when, IF, you decide to allow this two-way feature.

    That would be absolutely fantastic. Perhaps you could have a competition.....
  • Harvard modified.

    The reason why I have not started a new discussion is because I laid out the full code just above for what I'm using.

    All was well for the last few days then this morning, I added a new reference (Last name=Saxenian, First name=AnnaLee)

    Below, is how the entry looks in the citation. (I tried it a few times, then turned off Word and Zotero and started them both up again to get the same result.)

    (Saxenian, 1999) I do have a reference dated 1992 so all's well here.
    (Saxenian, 1999) and here
    (A. Saxenian, 2002) I don't have A. anywhere, but AnnaLee in full
    (A. Saxenian, 2002) same here.
    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002) I didn't combine first and last names. So?
    (A. Saxenian, 2002)
    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002) ?
    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002) ? You get the picture.
    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002)
    (Annalee Saxenian, 2002)
    (Annalee Saxenian, 2002)

    Any thoughts?
  • that would happen if you have two versions of the Saxenian citation in the document or if you have two separate Saxenian citations from 2002 and the first name isn't entered in exactly the same way. Zotero tries to disambiguate them by adding initials and, if need be, full first names.
  • Thank you.

    So now it says (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002)
    and
    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002a)

    These are two separate documents, but both from the same author and in the same year.

    The problem is that her first name is AnnaLee and her last name is Saxenian, so the citation should read:

    (Saxenian, 2002)
    and
    (Saxenian, 2002a)

    Non?
  • edited February 9, 2014
    should be (Saxenian, 2002a, 2002b).
    Check in a fresh document with just those two citations.
    (edit - also make sure to hit the refresh button in the Word plugin)
  • New doc. I have 3 docs by her written in 2002 and one in 1999. I have included the title for each.

    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002a)Brain Circulation
    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002b)High-Growth Entrepreneurs
    (Annalee Saxenian, 2002) Silicon Valley Connection
    (Saxenian, 1999) New Immigrant Entrepreneurs


    Refreshed Plug in

    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002a) Brain Circulation
    (AnnaLee Saxenian, 2002b) High Growth
    (Annalee Saxenian, 2002) Silicon Valley Connection
    (Saxenian, 1999) New Immigrant Entrepreneurs
  • yep, that's exactly what we'd expect. Note that you've spelled the first name differently in
    (Annalee Saxenian, 2002) Silicon Valley Connection
    once you fix that you'll get
    Saxenian 2002a, 2002b, 2002c
  • Perfect! Thank you. Will pay more attention.
  • The actual document I have is called "Policies to strengthen diaspora investment and entrepreneurs: Cross-national perspectives" written by Liesl RIDDLE and Tjal M. NIELSEN.

    However, this is only chapter 13, pages 230-252, of a book entitled "Realizing the development potential of diaspora investment and entrepreneurship" by SHARMA, K and PRESS.

    How best to represent this correctly in the citation so that both sets of authors are mentioned. Also, so that all the information is mentioned in the bibliography to be clear.

    I'm quite sure that what I did is wrong.

    This is what the citation says:
    (Riddle & Nielsen, 2011)


    This is what the bibliography says:

    Riddle, L. & Nielsen, T.M., (2011) Policies to Strengthen diaspora investment and entrepreneurship: Cross-national perspectives. Chapter 13. In: Realizing the development potential of diasporas. Tokyo; New York: United Nations University Press, 230–252. Available at: http://site.ebrary.com/id/10484267 [Accessed January 24, 2014].

    In entering the references, in the "Author" field, I entered Riddle and Nielsen (NOT the authors of the book as they are under the book reference).

    The authors of the book: Realizing ..... is not included nor is the date in the bibliography although they are both in the reference NOT for the Riddle chapter, but for the Book "Realizing ...." which is also entered into Zotero.

    Do I need to add the book to the Book Section?
    Do I need to add them manually?

    How should I have entered the information?

    What did I do wrong?
  • Thank you. I wasn't too far off.

    (Riddle & Nielsen, 2011)

    Riddle, L. & Nielsen, T.M., (2011) Policies to Strengthen diaspora investment and entrepreneurship: Cross-national perspectives. Chapter 13. In: K. Sharma, A. Kashyap, M. Montes, & P. Ladd, eds. Realizing the development potential of diasporas. Tokyo; New York: United Nations University Press, 230–252. Available at: http://site.ebrary.com/id/10484267 [Accessed January 24, 2014].


    The format has changed to putting the first initial, then the last name.

    It should be last name, initials. Is this normal?

    K. Sharma, A. Kashyap, M. Montes, & P. Ladd

    (i.e.

    Sharma, K., Kashyap, A., Montes, M., and Ladd, P.)

    What can I do to change it?
    I also noticed that the year of the book is not included. Is that normal?
  • Is this normal?
    K. Sharma, A. Kashyap, M. Montes, & P. Ladd
    it's handled in the citation style, Zotero can do both. K. Sharma is common (used e.g. both in APA and Chicago Manual), yes, since there is no sorting by editors' last names, there is no reason to have the last name first.
    I also noticed that the year of the book is not included. Is that normal?
    the book has the same date as the chapter, so yes, that's normal.
  • The problem is this... It seems that only for book sections does Zotero reverse Last name, Initials for Initial, Last name. While for all others it is Last name, Initials. Is that done on purpose to show that it is a section in a book?

    My supervisor has a fit if a comma is in the wrong place. Is there any way to change this to have it consistent?

    Citations:
    (Riddle & Nielsen, 2011) – Book Section
    (Ryan, 1994) – Book Section
    (Chaudhury, 2005) – Book Section
    (Orozco et al., 2005)
    (Van Zyl et al., 2010)

    Bibliography:
    Chaudhury, S., (2005) Trading Networks in Traditional Diasporas: Armenians in India. 1600-1800. In: I. B. McCabe, G. Harlaftis, & I. P. Minoglou, eds. Diaspora Entrepreneurial Networks: Four Centuries of History. Berg.

    Orozco, M., Lowell, B.L., Bump, M. & Fedewa, R., (2005) Transnational Engagement Remittances and their Relationship to Development in Latin America and the Caribbean. Available at: http://www.thedialogue.org/page.cfm?pageID=32&pubID=1025.

    Riddle, L. & Nielsen, T.M., (2011) Policies to Strengthen diaspora investment and entrepreneurship: Cross-national perspectives. Chapter 13. In: K. Sharma, A. Kashyap, M. Montes, & P. Ladd, eds. Realizing the development potential of diasporas. Tokyo; New York: United Nations University Press, 230–252. Available at: http://site.ebrary.com/id/10484267 [Accessed January 24, 2014].

    Ryan, S., (1994) Blacks as Entrepreneurs in the Caribbean and the Caribbean Diaspora. In: S. D. Ryan & T. Stewart, eds. Entrepreneurship in the Caribbean: Culture, Structure, Conjuncture. I.S.E.R., The University of the West Indies.

    Van Zyl, M.K., Steyn, N.P. & Marais, M.L., (2010) Characteristics and Factors Influencing Fast Food Intake of Young Adult Consumers in Johannesburg, South Africa. South African Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 23(3). Available at: http://www.ajol.info/index.php/sajcn/article/view/59888 [Accessed January 24, 2014].
  • change
    <macro name="editor">
    <names variable="editor" delimiter=", ">
    <name and="symbol" initialize-with=". " delimiter=", "/>
    <label form="short" prefix=", " text-case="lowercase"/>
    </names>
    </macro>

    to

    <macro name="editor">
    <names variable="editor" delimiter=", ">
    <name name-as-sort-order="all" and="symbol" sort-separator=", " initialize-with="." delimiter-precedes-last="never" delimiter=", "/>
    <label form="short" prefix=", " text-case="lowercase"/>
    </names>
    </macro>

    But just to reiterate: Treating editors listed in the middle of the reference differently from authors at the beginning of the reference is consistent and is the way that the two most widely used Harvard citation styles handle this.
  • So, it is normal to do it this way. I shall leave it as is as I want to tamper with the code as little as possible.

    However, I will save the new code in case he insists.

    Thank you.
  • I have not started a new conversation because the code for this version of Harvard I am using is above.

    I am about to submit and have a final issue.

    In-text citation:

    Historically, Chaudhury (Chaudhury, S. (2005):31 In: McCabe et al., 2005: 68) attributed Armenian success in business possibly to them having created “networks of trust, shared information and mutual support based upon the fact that they were a distinct ethnic and religious minority".

    Chaudhury, S. (2005): 31 I entered as a prefix (which was quoted in McCabe which I do not have) to
    McCabe et al,. 2005: 68 -- I have the actual text.

    Is there a better way to show this relationship without having "Chaudhury (Chaudhury......)"?

    What do other styles do to show this relationship?

    Thank you in advance.
  • Most style manuals discourage listing references that you don't have access to in the bibliography. APA would have you cite this as
    "Historically, Chaudhury (as cited in McCabe et al., 2005, 68)"
  • THANK YOU. I'll go with that.

    I really want to thank you for making Zotero available. I just wish I had started using it six years ago and not a month before submitting. However, it has been very helpful in a number of ways one of which is the fact that Zotero has helped me correct at least three instances where with three names, I had chosen the wrong last name.

    I also love the fact that I can change styles to seamlessly! A huge plus.

    This process as also helped me to gain a better understanding of code --- something I had previously been petrified of. You probably can't imagine, but I paced up and down my office talking to myself when I had to go into the code. I've since looked into code a bit and will be re-doing my website myself once I finish this which is very shortly. I used Apple's iweb, but it badly needs to be update. I've already written the table for the database I'll be using to collect data.

    So A HUGE THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS.

    I have a paid membership to Zotero and look forward to receiving all your updates -- especially two-way linking between the citations and the bibliography -- whenever that comes about.
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