EBSCO, urls & accessed dates

wilkwalk94

When downloading articles from EBSCO (ATLA) the date accessed and the url does not show up in the fields. It does appear as a child item as part of EBSCO Record, but how can I get this information to automatically be in the main entry so that it will easily be part of the bibliography information?

Also, what is the field to use to record the online collection (ATLA) given that the library catalog field already has 'EBSCOhost'?

wilkwalk94

I should specify this is using the EBSCO translator and the latest version of Zotero Standalone with Chrome plugin

adamsmith

you'd at ATLA to the library Catalog field in any way you see fit. I don't think we're able to get the specific EBSCO collection automatically.
I'll look into the URL - it's always a bit of a judgment call for larger databases whether to link or to attach the url.
@aurimasv - EBSCO has mostly full text sources, why are we attaching links here instead of using a url?

aurimas

I think it goes back to the days when permalinks were not available.

https://github.com/zotero/translators/commit/08d078c6e9925f6cf33de7cf1cdaa875a14bc7cd

adamsmith

right, and then when we did get permalinks we attached them - you agree they should be "real" URLs, though?

aurimas

Idk. You're the expert on this. I looked at a couple of guides and they all suggest citing just the home page url, not the entire link. E.g. http://www.sac.edu/StudentServices/Library/Documents/SAC_APA_Electronic_Resources.pdf

adamsmith

I mean - in most cases we wouldn't cite the URL because there is a page range. The interesting question are the non-page-range citations and people who want URLs for all sources and for both of those I'd say if there is a permalink we should use it - that's what we do for all other full text databases.

wilkwalk94

Thanks for that info re library catalog. Is it worth me holding off for a bit from doing a large number of downloads that I will need the url for?

adamsmith

yes, I think we'll likely change that - might take a week or two, I'm swamped.

wilkwalk94

Any progress on this? Thanks

adamsmith

Thanks for the reminder.

EBSCO will now put the URL into the URL field, but only for resources where a full text is hosted on EBSCO. This is in line what we do with other catalogs and also the requirements of citationstyles - i.e. you should only link to a citation when that's where you actually get the full text from.

Your version of Zotero will automatically update within 24hs, or you can update manually using the "Update Now" button in the "General" tab of the Zotero preferences.

Any further problems let us know & thanks for reporting

wilkwalk94

Thanks, but I cannot get this to work. I updated the translator (and even manually checked the date on Ebscohost.js) and have tried two different Ebsco databases, both filtered to only show 'linked full text' with about 30 different items but none of them include the url. By the way does the change include the accessed date as well?

I've also tried it with Zotero for Firefox (I normally use Standalone with Chrome) but I can't even see the icon for downloading files from Ebsco in Firefox (though I can for Amazon, Sage etc.)

aurimas

Sorry about that. I broke it. It should be fixed now. Update and try again.

wilkwalk94

OK, thanks. Initially I could get it to work in Firefox but not Chrome. Eventually got it to work by restarting Chrome Browser. Thanks for the work guys, very happy with that change.